EVE General Discussion

We have. They have been found un-able.

Someone pay Dark Shikari to come back and moderate.

Yes, but I've seen it done a lot better than this.

They can "proof" (sic) what they like but the last 12 hours was appalling.

Just the very fact you are circumventing a ban would you get all your accounts perma banned in most other MMOS. This happens expecially in strongly organization structured MMOs of course.

Maybe it's time CCP starts a stronger approach both against cheaters and forum specialized trolls.

There are at least two "alternative" EvE forums, people should feel free to go sperg over there.

Ok, I generally don't comment on peoples spelling and grammar. I believe you can have very valid and relevant posts without having perfect spelling and grammar. But I dont think you quite phrased what you meant in the right way with "This happens expecially in strongly organization structured MMOs of course."

Thats fine I think I got the gist of it though.

Alot of us have expressed that if CCP really intends to have a more rigid none creative forum then thats fine. We would respect that. But we want that in CCP writing before we stop fighting for the community hub we have know and loved for almost a decade now.

Also, their are trolls on both sides of this. Its not trolls versus ISD on this one. Its people who know the system one way and have seen a drastic change in how that system is being moderated versus the people who want a more WoW like forum.

Also you clearly don't care very much for this issue, you aren't even posting on your main.

Please make sure it also lands on the CCP employee's desk that directly oversees them.


All of ISD has done a great job over the years we would like you to keep on doing the good work! Its the new group we are having problems with.

#storm_in_a_teacup

What guidelines? The definition of content is subjective. There are no guidelines.

The forum rules are published. They're using the same forum rules we are. They're just using them to make judgments on what is and what is not satisfactory content. It's an opinion.

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It's not really fair to call for dissolving the ISD if the issue is primarily with forum moderation. The volunteers who give advice in rookie help or who devote themselves to creating EvE fan fiction are pretty selfless and we should thank those guys.

But what is art? Who can answer that?

What metric determines content value?

There's no way for a CCL member to know if a rumor is true:

Rumor:: "I heard from a...very...reliable source that the Mittani is going to fly through high sec in a freighter full of zydrine escorted by 1000 frigates to give full jetcans to everyone demonstrating his benevolence. Tomorrow."

Now what are the CCLs going to do? Ask him if its true? It's silly to even suggest it possible to know if a rumor is true.

Even the devs are guilty. Following the Goon FW Eve-**** a few days ago, and following the announcement that assets had been seized, the 150 page topic on the subject was locked. Of course that only spawned new GD topics on the issue, one of which was brought down by Goliath himself with a "No content - thread locked." I actually lol'ed when I saw that.

So I guess I agree that the moderation has been pretty heavy-handed. I logged into GD the other night and 7 topics on page one were locked. Wow. That's a lot of hammer. It looked odd. I suspect some of this will be self-correcting though. If a CCL member edits one post too many and spawns 1000 more that also will not meet his definition of content, he'll only be increasing his own workload. Let's see how long that lasts.

How about instead of trying to determine what is or is not a rumor or what constitutes content, why not just create another forum section for the kiddos? Moderate GD as necessary and invite dev feedback here. Serious folk can be as serious as they like, spam-free. But in the new unfiltered section (called "the Void" or something) you moderate language and personal attacks but make no conclusions about content value. This would be a much better option.

When "adults" are trying to socialize in a room with noisy children, the solution isn't to tie the kids up and gag them.

You give them toys.

No matter what kind of content they're contributing, if players are logged into CCP's forums, they're not spending time doing something else.

Yonis Kador

Yeah, the CCL does seem to be a bit...um...over-zealous.
Like moving one of GD's older, longer threads (complete with dev/GM posts) to OOPE.

Yes we have rules. But you cant have a group of moderators enforcing rules if they don't all interpret them the same way. A forum this large with so many varied ideas and just posts needs to have some guidelines for the moderators. Alot of very unique and impressive things have come from ideas posted on these forums that would have been locked by the CCL has trolls or spam. The original ISS proposition would have been locked within an hour. Most all of the first IPOs would have been seen has trolling because they were so outside the norm of what had been done in eve up until then. Hell BIG Lottos OP probably would have gotten a spam lock.

You cant strangle moderate these forums if you don't want them to turn out like every other MMO community out their. Imagine all the future marketing materials you could be losing CCP?






In this situation we cant discuss whats wrong or give examples of why something needs to change without referring to specific moderation. Its why what happened happened. We cant use the petition system because their is no visibility so it boils down to being one person getting a response that usually just boiled down to a link pointed at the ISD Wiki page.

You guys rock! The forums were left "abandoned" to themselves for a lot of time, it was about time somebody took some initiative to clean them up a bit. Some say they are "adults" as excuse to be rude and trollish but these are hardly signs of being adult.

Also, General Discussion is the first or the second forum where a new player will go to seek information about the game or even just to "taste" how is the current game status. Had I been a new player reading the past days (and more) GD discussions, I'd understand EvE is some madmen asylum and would have quit.

Is this constructive feedback?