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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#141 - 2012-06-26 12:55:45 UTC
Janty Hilanen wrote:
I think its a silly move by CCP. Certainly others will think twice in regards to purchasing items at the higher end of the spectrum.


But he didnt purchase the damn shirt. He purchased PLEX which he changed into ISK.

He got the shirt for FREE !!!!

He still got the PLEX !!!!


He's not whining about 200 bucks. He's whining because he neglected to sell his free shirt for ISK before CCP released it on the store and ended his "investment".

As has been explained to him for the last 8 pages ...

  • He's an idiot for not selling the ~shirt~ when he had the chance
  • He still got the PLEX. What F**** is he complaining about



Its hilarious LolLolLolLol
Rikula
Doomheim
#142 - 2012-06-26 13:04:43 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Janty Hilanen wrote:
I think its a silly move by CCP. Certainly others will think twice in regards to purchasing items at the higher end of the spectrum.


But he didnt purchase the damn shirt. He purchased PLEX which he changed into ISK.

He got the shirt for FREE !!!!

He still got the PLEX !!!!


He's not whining about 200 bucks. He's whining because he neglected to sell his free shirt for ISK before CCP released it on the store and ended his "investment".

As has been explained to him for the last 8 pages ...

  • He's an idiot for not selling the ~shirt~ when he had the chance
  • He still got the PLEX. What F**** is he complaining about



Its hilarious LolLolLolLol


You should be *supporting* the OP. EVE is a better place if there are some special things like this.

And he did not get the shirt for FREE. He had to buy 13x plex to obtain it - in return, he got 13x plex and the shirt. The plex surely had value to him, but as he said he would not have purchased them without the shirt as part of the offer.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#143 - 2012-06-26 14:03:17 UTC
An items "worth" is determined by how much customers are willing to pay. While your OP does bring in some sympathy, such is the nature of any item, especially eye-candy only items.

This "uncertainty" you speak of is actually a factor for the price.
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
#144 - 2012-06-26 14:22:47 UTC
can we all go pod the op? i would like to hunt him down just for the lulz.



but yea, the op story does suck.
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#145 - 2012-06-26 14:27:49 UTC
you got a deal on a pile of plexs with a freebie thrown in get over it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#146 - 2012-06-26 14:30:59 UTC
Rikula wrote:
Ok, I think at this point my point has been clearly made, but for some reason you still want to disagree with me. I don't know why, but if you're just going to say "the answer remains the same", I suspect you want to leave it at that. And so I will say: you have failed to give even a plausible way in which it is a "special edition" as opposed to "just like every other item". According to your reasoning, I'd need to think that ALL the new NEX items are "special editions", since they all differ in colour from the "normal" (and I'd be interested to know which item you consider to be the "normal" one). Perhaps they are special in just the same way that our mum always tells us we are "special". That is, "special" like everyone else.

I agree with you in one regard though - the wording of the original offer would be important. My attempts to google and find it have failed.


So you buy a Blue Ray player on sale, which also has a "Special Edition" Aliens disk thrown in to sweeten the deal.

Are you outraged when you see that same disc for sale seperately later?

No?

Imagine that.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#147 - 2012-06-26 14:37:40 UTC
didn't the EvE client cost like 40-50 bucks at launch?

now it's free
Morgorathi
Euaemon
#148 - 2012-06-26 14:38:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgorathi
I feel for you OP

I blew $270 AUD on Cryptic points to get a Jem'hadar Attack ship. I didn't get it.. in fact it had such a low loot chance from boxs that you had to spend roughly $420 AUD to get a decent shot at it.

I didn't get reimbursed nor reparations.

I suggest you should learn from your mistake, do not assume everything "unique"(with a few exceptions) is truly unique ESPECIALLY when it comes to novelty items, cosmetics and other useless crap in games. I mean sure I WANT that monocle but am I going to blow $XX on it, Of course not, I have better things to spend my money on. Like porn, alcohol, bacon and women who like being payed for at restaurants.

When did Crime & Punishment become the mercenary employment board?
browniesftw
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#149 - 2012-06-26 14:49:12 UTC
so why didn't you buy the plex with isk or just the shirt with isk?
Morgorathi
Euaemon
#150 - 2012-06-26 14:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Morgorathi
I think the grand irony of this thread is that OP

Is wearing RMT Monocle, RMT Coat but not the $200 RMT ~SPECIAL EDITION~ shirt.

When did Crime & Punishment become the mercenary employment board?
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#151 - 2012-06-26 15:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Reech Yvormes wrote:
im starting to see this sort of thing in a lot of games.

i have to wonder if we are not giving enough to support PC game devs. they actually have to do this stuff, i think, especially in todays economy. I do know that there is more money in console gaming, so i think people should not be so harsh to the op, because, without that sort of investment from PC gamers, i think the money would have to come from the general playerbase or elsewhere. rather than laugh at those who wish for cosmetic differences for a bit of real money investment. you should really support him in this because they (game developers) should hold their end of the bargain on exclusive "money injection" payments like that. its not like its pay to win (the shirt, not the plex), so thats why exclusive vanity items should be kept exclusive. their value is in their vanity.

as a gaming consumer myself, i have made a few mistakes, mostly pre order mistakes, for that snazzy pre order item. i wish i could take it back and have saved the money or that things were more of an official stance than vague small print that you never know if they will devalue your item too soon.


Gaming industry in developed countries is the only comercially prolific in these times of economical recession. Don't talk like developers are starving. This post has no sense at all. Also, they are not programming anything, this clothing is designer job. The code they are using for CQ is just a scrap from DUST and they will also use it on WoD.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-06-26 15:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
well yeah i should have added that they atleast have to deliver the standard service, that part i dont disagree on, i am more speaking from a standpoint of selling vanity alongside a decent standard service. i wasnt really thinking of CCP when i wrote that, but PC gaming devs in general and vanity items..

its well known though that PC gamers spend a lot less money than console gamers because there is less of us and more of them.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#153 - 2012-06-26 16:25:57 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
well yeah i should have added that they atleast have to deliver the standard service, that part i dont disagree on, i am more speaking from a standpoint of selling vanity alongside a decent standard service. i wasnt really thinking of CCP when i wrote that, but PC gaming devs in general and vanity items..

its well known though that PC gamers spend a lot less money than console gamers because there is less of us and more of them.


It's a crappy service because it's a crappy feature. I play videogames since Atari was launched and only now this restricting content crap is on. It used to be that you acessed content through gaming only. This RMT **** is destroying creative videogame development. People don't have to play to acess content anymore so they don't care as long as they can have what they want NOW, because they payed for it. As an example the OPs behaviour on the first post. EvE used to be a bastion as a commercially sucessful independent game, now it's going on the same way to become a slot machine like other contemporary games because of overgrown babies like him.
Panacani
Doomheim
#154 - 2012-06-26 17:21:20 UTC
There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.

So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.
iskflakes
#155 - 2012-06-26 17:23:09 UTC
Something needs to be done about this.

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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#156 - 2012-06-26 17:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Panacani wrote:
There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.

So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.


This thread is ridiculous and OP is too. He doesn't give a **** about the game, he just wanted an saving account for his 'investment' in the form of a digital shirt.

EDIT: this shouldn't even be in GD. This has nothing to do with EvE, it's just the plight of a crying baby over money badly spent. Read his posts, he does'nt give a **** and make it sound like the PLEX he bought is nothing. It's 13 PLEX we're talking about. Doesn't even sound like an EvE player to consider more the bonus shirt than the game time he bought.
Redbullcity Stetille
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2012-06-26 17:36:16 UTC
OP has a point, with antics like this, any incentive towards future promotional offers would go down substantially. I feel bad for you OP, and I hope CCP compensates for it somehow.
And CCP, it was a bad marketing move in my opinion, as it is, people hesitate to spend so much on virtual stuff and seems like those who do are ridiculed by many, as we have seen in this thread and you only gave them a good reason to do so.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#158 - 2012-06-26 17:37:11 UTC
A fool and his money are easily parted.... Lol
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#159 - 2012-06-26 18:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Panacani wrote:
There is a lot of trolling of the op saying CCP never stated the shirt would be limited edition or that it wouldn't eventually be worth less than a can of soda. While that is true, it simply proves that they have deceptive marketing practices.

So either they are incompetent and missed the fact that a limited edition shirt would go on 'sale', or they are deceptive in offering a can of soda (and masking it's value) as a bonus to a $200 sale. Either way, the op has a legitimate gripe.


There was no "limited edition" shirt. You, like many others, are confusing Special Edition with Limited Edition. They are not the same thing.

A bonus can of soda on a $200 sale is still a bonus can of soda.

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#160 - 2012-06-26 18:09:04 UTC
Dude, you spent real money on an imaginary space shirt

No good deed goes unpunished