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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#81 - 2012-06-26 00:29:48 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...
…not to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public. Blink
Rikula
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-06-26 00:30:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:


Quote:
And this is also about trust in advertising
…and the question remains: what did the offer actually say?


I don't know, it would be good to find it (I can't find it yet). I still think there's a case to be made, even if the original offer did not specify that it would be limited to that offer only, for the reasons I listed above.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#83 - 2012-06-26 00:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
1) I've had shops in real life and for me it was obvious from the beginning of Incarna 12 months ago - CCP don't have any clues about retail business and there will be multiple "surprises" and

2) it will be funny to see cheap monocles all over the marketplace after CCP will introduce more stylish glasses for 100-500AUR.

P.S. It was fun to re-sell those shirts + red/gold coats freshly purchased for AUR for first few minutes after DT for hundreds of millions. Fastest ISKies I ever made.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-06-26 00:31:00 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...


But the OP didnt pay 1B for a shirt. He simply failed to actually sell it for 1 B. Who knows, if he ever put it on the market would it even have been sold.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#85 - 2012-06-26 00:32:16 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...


You might have a point if that shirt had been sold through the NEX for the old over inflated prices.

However, it has never been sold before. In fact it has only been given away previously as a free gift for purchasing a special PLEX offer.

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Rikula
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-06-26 00:32:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...
…not to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public. Blink


False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.
iskflakes
#87 - 2012-06-26 00:34:05 UTC
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#88 - 2012-06-26 00:34:32 UTC
Rikula wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...
…not to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public. Blink


False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.


Which is fine since he didn't pay anything for it.

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-06-26 00:34:51 UTC
Rikula wrote:
False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.


Bad analogy. The ~shirt~ was in this case quite clearly given free when the PLEX were purchased.


The ~shirt~ is a lie
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#90 - 2012-06-26 00:35:30 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.


Items sold through the NEX.

This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2012-06-26 00:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Rikula wrote:
False.
You're talking about your simile, I take it?

Quote:
When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price.
…which bears no relevance to this case, since the shirt did come with a price: free with purchase. Now, it is no longer free — you have to pay 500 AUR for it. 500 AUR > free.

iskflakes wrote:
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.
No, because CCP didn't set that 1b+ price to begin with — other players did. CCP haven't changed the price of Hulks either, and I've still been able to sell the ones I had in storage for several hundreds of millions in profit each.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-06-26 00:37:51 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.


Welp
Rikula
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-06-26 00:43:32 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Rikula wrote:
False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.


Bad analogy. The ~shirt~ was in this case quite clearly given free when the PLEX were purchased.


The ~shirt~ is a lie


Not a bad analogy, because you're focusing on an irrelevant part of the analogy - the point was to show how prices are not determined by some inherent property of the item itself. Just because an item lacks a "price property" doesn't mean it has no value, or is free.

Even in bundles like this, people value so-called "freebies". Suppose you were to purchase a bundle of 5 dvd's, which came free with a sixth specific dvd. You don't therefore value the sixth dvd as being zero. You might jump onto ebay, and sell it for maybe half or a quarter of its normal retail price. It still has a value to you and to others, and its price is not zero.

Maybe you even did a cost calculation: "I only really want 4 of the 5 dvd's, but if I sell the sixth free one, I can recuperate some of the cost for the 5th one I don't really want". In this case, for you there *is* a price for the sixth dvd.

Maybe you're one of those people that thinks you get a mobile for free when it says, "pay $0 for your mobile phone on a 24 month contract!". It's not actually free to you.

Anyway, main point: Ishukone shirt was more expensive pre-patch and is less expensive post-patch. Not the other way.
Sidious Lord
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-06-26 00:48:04 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Rikula wrote:

False. When we dig iron ore out of the ground in Australia, it doesn't come stamped with "$130 per metric tonne". It doesn't come with *any* price. Its price is determined, like with everything else, by supply and demand (to put it simply). The Ishukone shirt had a HIGHER price prior to NEX release, and now has a LOWER price.


Which is fine since he didn't pay anything for it.


^ This.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2012-06-26 00:48:41 UTC
lol a fool and his plex are soon parted
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-06-26 00:52:59 UTC
damn, I will probably not be playing for the next month, but I'm buying an Ishukone shirt myself right now
Rikula
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-26 00:53:43 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
lol a fool and his plex are soon parted


CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want.

(and just for the record, I have not ever purchased a plex for real world money)
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-06-26 00:55:43 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.

Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.



wow. CCP's dumbask moves don't generally surprise me anymore, but I'm shocked they did this. I understand and agree with making some cheap stuff available, but it should've been new cheap stuff...

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#99 - 2012-06-26 00:56:25 UTC
Rikula wrote:
CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want.
Good thing that they're not doing that, then.

The people in question got the PLEX they bought and a valuable item on top of that. The OP made a fool of himself by not cashing out early on an item that could only ever decrease in value.
Sidious Lord
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-06-26 00:57:52 UTC
Rikula wrote:
Even in bundles like this, people value so-called "freebies". Suppose you were to purchase a bundle of 5 dvd's, which came free with a sixth specific dvd. You don't therefore value the sixth dvd as being zero. You might jump onto ebay, and sell it for maybe half or a quarter of its normal retail price. It still has a value to you and to others, and its price is not zero.


You confuse the terms "value" and "price" here. The price is in fact zero, but no one have ever claimed that the value is zero. Regarding your latest analogy: you are wrong again. The price of the sixth DVD is zero, but the value is indeed higher as he can sell it on eBay. Just as OP could sell his shirt (which had the price tag of zero when he got it in the first place) on "eBay" if he wanted to.

Back to the DVD example: To acquire the sixth DVD, you don't pay a penny. You could always say, "no, I don't want six DVD's, five is enough", but you'd still have to pay the same price as you would have with the sixth one included. In other words: the price is zero. He wouldn't have gotten a discount if he had said no to the extra DVD. Why take it? Well, it's free, and you could possibly make money off it by selling it...

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