EVE General Discussion

In fact whole internet and software is Virtual... we pay for things that not exist in real word. No mater if t-shirt-mp3 song, visual upgardes, programs that make windows look better etc, games addons etc, all is virtual. We pay for binary numbers.

Why in God's name are you people so willfully misunderstanding the OP?

It's not about price fluctuations.
It's not about market forces.
It's not about any of the other weird crap y'all are posting.

What it is about is CCP offering a one-off item in exchange for a significant purchase of PLEXes and then doing a complete reverse after putting the money in their pockets.

I fully agree with the OP and have now taken CCP off all my white lists so as not to be offended, or even taken in, by these marketing lies in the future. This, of course, means they have also lost me as a customer for any legit stuff they may offer since I will not see it.

That, CCP, is Karma.

Mr Epeen

This patch was incredibly poorly planned. Some time ago I bought several of these "limited edition" shirts off the market for over a billion isk each as an investment. I woke up today to find that _without any announcement or warning_ these items have been made worthless. This happened to several other NEX items I was holding as well.

I have lost at least 5 billion isk due to this patch - If an item is supposidly "limited edition" it should stay that way. If you want to change it, you should give a full list of the items you will be releasing, and you should reimburse people such as myself who have poured countless hours into obtaining these now worthless items.

That money was going to fund my subscriptions over the next few months, but now what will I do?

I too am very unhappy about my lost invested isk. However, I am also unhappy about the fact that it seems I can't trust CCP to produce limited number items, or to respect implied or hinted single releases.

So I agree with OP, but disagree with car analogy. It would be more like if you purchased a train set that advertised 'special edition locamotive inside, unavailable anywhere else!'. As an avid collector (and the locomotive advertisement was obviously *targeted* at collectors) you purchase it, only to find out a few months down the road they are selling your supposed 'special edition' locomotive for 1% the price it was worth as part of the original set. Now every kid with a train set has one. It is important for a customer to be able to trust the implications of a company's words. In the case of the train collector, he should be able to trust the company that the locomotive will remain special.

While I didn't use the plex offer, I think people are rightly upset about it. It looks borderline scam, but not the sort that's allowed in EVE. Incentivize an offer with a 'special edition' to get more purchases, but then remove the specialness of it later. And to what end? There was no good reason to make it so cheap and common in the end.

Side note: SOME of the lost isk or Aurum due to devalued itemsis also the result of actual error. 4 items that CCP said explicitly would not be lowered were, having duplicate entries in the NEX. It seems plausible to me that the release of the ishukone and the red/black women's coat was an error just like the release of these duplicates. CCP will have to fix this, but it's now going to be a mess. And they will have to fix it because some of these purchases involve money, and they said it would not change.

The phrase you are looking for, and will not find in the original offer, is the term "Limited Edition"... which is not the same thing as a "Special Edition".

Kudos to you, Tippia, for bothering with trying time and again to explain how everything connects together in this case. The thread was already "won" with the key chain analogy, yet people keep coming back like a stubborn and spoiled child that refuses to accept no for an answer. I'm amazed that this thread has actually reached six pages.

And it doesn't need the word "limited". In my trains example, I used the word "special". And indeed, what is "special" about the ishukone shirt now? Nothing.

Even substituting 'limited' with 'special' doesn't justify or explain the current situation. Indeed, I expect this is an error - that these items were released in error alongside those other NEX items that were clearly duplicated in error, and contrary to what CCP stated:
"Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices so that we don’t devalue the investment that some players have already made."
But that didn't happen. They devalued items they explicitly said they would not, and devalued some items that they did not explicitly say they would not (but one could reasonably expect they would not).

Furthermore, I think that even those who are not burned by this should be upset. EVE is made better by having rare, limited numbers of items. I will never have a dreadnought in high-sec, but I like the fact that some people do. I will never have certain "special' ships, but I like that others do. I would be upset if those dreadnoughts get moved to low-sec, even though it does not affect me. It's about what we want the game to be like.

And this is also about trust in advertising - and it's made even more complicated when the offers are in connection with real money (eg, plex purchases) or microtransactions which are translatable to real money (eg, aurum purchases). There is more onus on CCP in these instances to be careful what they are implying and protect the purchases of people.

And you need trust for the NEX store to work - so this is all in CCP's best interest. Imagine you were one of those silly people who purchased a monocle with aurum you obtained from spending real money. Now, imagine also that CCP allows the transfer of Aurum between players. Suddenly everyone with a couple of alts is topping up their aurum, buying monocles and selling them on market. The monocle you paid real money for (stupidly or not) is suddenly worth a lot less.

Are you, the person with cash to burn on the NEX, going to buy from the NEX again? I doubt it. If you didn't see the monocle as a waste of money in the first place, you will by now.

There's a whole lot of trust issues that are being created. And the cleanup is going to be a *****.

ROFL
You are pissed off cos of a monacle?
Besides you forgot the monacle is old now and it went out of fashion!

Wait, wat ? Do I read this right ?

• The OP buys 13 PLEX and gets a free limited edition virtual shirt.
• If he sold the shirt back then he could have got 1.2 B extra ISK on top of the PLEX he bought
• CCP 6 months later release the virtual shirt in the Nex Store. The collector value vanishes as you would expect
• OP whines because he didnt cash out in time

He got the ISK for the PLEX he bought. He took a gamble and failed to cash in on the free virtual shirt before it was no longer limited edition.

Whats the problem ?

There isn't one, other than the OP is publicly flagellating himself and attempting to make people believe the whip is in CCP's hand.