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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#501 - 2012-07-08 09:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Tippia wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession."
The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you “profession”.

You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed — the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest.

Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dyspro→tech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials).

So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game — better luck next time.


I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says. There is only one response to our trolling and that is using the ignore function on you.

Please do keep posting something because this thread definitely needs continuous bumping.
Dealth Striker
Perkone
Caldari State
#502 - 2012-07-08 09:54:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession."
The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you “profession”.

You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed — the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest.

Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dyspro→tech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials).

So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game — better luck next time.



Do you have a collection of items?
I think you are not a collector, if you were, then you would understand that the item does not perform the exact same function now.
Striker Out!!
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#503 - 2012-07-08 09:55:19 UTC
Geez people, this was an CCP SNAFU. Nothing done by design.

Just give the rich guy with the butt plug eye a bucket load of ISK as compensation and let's get back to our regularly scheduled griping.

In principle recycling something that has been 'sold' as rare is pretty poor on CCP's part.

I'm sure Mr Old Guy won't go hungry, but man it's gotta be annoying.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#504 - 2012-07-08 10:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
The Antiquarian wrote:
I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says.
No. You kept responding with an irrelevant quote; you kept saying that you didn't read my posts; you dispensed red herrings as if there had been a fish explosion in a Swedish paint factory; you get posts removed for spamming and trolling; at some point, I'm fairly certain you just outright blocked me.

You never actually answered the question.

Yes, I understand that you lost money on your speculation. So what? It was your risk to take, and as far as CCP-caused speculation loss goes, it's fairly small. Why should you be compensated for it? Alternatively: yes, I understand that your collection was devalued. So what? It's still intact. Why should you be compensated for a non-loss? You got exactly what you wanted and you have exactly what you wanted and you didn't pay anything for it — in fact, you got a whole lot of stuff at a discounted price.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#505 - 2012-07-08 10:19:09 UTC
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This is great. I did not realize that silence could feel this good. Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense and just wait until CCP provides us with the response.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#506 - 2012-07-08 10:22:50 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense
…such as?
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#507 - 2012-07-08 11:32:41 UTC
Still waiting for the response from CCP.
Disdaine
#508 - 2012-07-08 12:27:49 UTC
I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do.
iskflakes
#509 - 2012-07-08 13:35:58 UTC
Still awaiting the details of the fix.

The sooner you fix it, the sooner this thread leaves the front page.

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Dr Grey
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#510 - 2012-07-08 14:16:10 UTC
Bad CCP

I disappointed that Peons could get a nice red coat like mine so easily

I had to sell TEST pony pictures to the Russians to get mine ......


I will only forgive you if you give me a mirror for my Supercap :)

NOW IS THE TIME FOR SWIFT AND DECISIVE ACTION CCP
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#511 - 2012-07-08 14:32:12 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do.
It's ok. I'm quite used to trolls not being able to answer simple questions or justify their stance. That's why I pose questions and ask them to justify their stance. So no need to feel sorry — it's all in a day's work…
Dr Grey
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#512 - 2012-07-08 14:40:59 UTC
Thinking about it

CCP,..... give me a mirror for my super cap and I wont mention that those green mens coats are also impacted by this debarcal
To be fair they didnt have much style so only probably the peons have then but ...


Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#513 - 2012-07-08 18:56:40 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Still awaiting the details of the fix.

The sooner you fix it, the sooner this thread leaves the front page.


Guess I'd better get it back on page one then.

Mr Epeen Cool
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#514 - 2012-07-08 19:10:34 UTC
If CCP can remove these items why can't they remove T2BPO's?
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#515 - 2012-07-08 19:16:20 UTC
They are not removing the items.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#516 - 2012-07-08 19:29:26 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
They are not removing the items.


Link?

Mr Epeen Cool
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#517 - 2012-07-08 19:40:36 UTC
I'll only be happy when they introduce men's tights and cod pieces. I'm Henry the Eighth I am...

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Pipa Porto
#518 - 2012-07-08 19:43:24 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
If CCP can remove these items why can't they remove T2BPO's?



Dude, not every thread is about your great hatred of Pie.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#519 - 2012-07-08 19:50:24 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
They are not removing the items.
Link?
For someone so fond of referring to what the devs have said in the thread, you're remarkably unfamiliar with what they've said in the thread
Zeruma
Tsukaga Industries
#520 - 2012-07-08 19:52:04 UTC
Sometimes I read ccp forums and get confused and think I might be playing second life by mistake