EVE General Discussion

The market for those items was, like plex, purely dictated by the fact that until recently there were no ways, outside of promotions or nex purchases to obtain them.

The standard by which their worth is assessed was only directly comparable to the fraction of plex from which they are created. They can't bypass a system they were never a part of to begin with, which would be player creation. In my mind bypassing that system was necessary to justify the existence of nex. I actually somewhat see moving the items into places like LP stores without removing the nex as a step in the wrong direction, but a tolerable one provided the items in each do not overlap.

There is a distinction there which you brushed over. These were items designed in their inception to induce a wholly separate purchase. I find that to be a significant enough difference to warrant more cautious handling. Also it should be considered that while the items were essentially free with another purchase, that purchase had to be made, with real money at that, to bring the items into the game. It created a barrier that helped to ensure scarcity and create a value to the items that didn't otherwise exist. It's that value that was diminished by their release into the Nex.

What do you mean by “like PLEX” here? The market for PLEX is not purely dictated by demand, and PLEX also has a rather special value.

…and that's just it: the original plan was to make them part of the player creation system. The game was rather brutally robbed of this content and instead it was turned in a massively bungled attempt at making a quick buck which cost them massively.

And that says quite a lot about how bad an addition the NeX is: it needs a justification. It has nothing to do with the actual game, and only screws up the economy in new and interesting ways (and not in the positive sense). The fact that they already have a mechanism that fully supported what they wanted to do (the LP store) and that they instead chose to (fail to) implement a far inferior copy of the same concept just makes the whole thing even more laughable.

…and that makes them no different than any other NeX item, except that they cost 0 AUR to create. As for inducing sales, that just goes back to the novelty keychain parallel: there is nothing to suggest that the item will not be available at a later date or that it's actually worth much to begin with (novelty item are usually cheap tat, after all).

Combine this with CCP's decision on previous occasion to re-release “special” items, and I just don't see why the expectation would be anything other than having this item “first” (for some indeterminate length of time), and that it would eventually be available in larger numbers. It's not that I brush over a distinction — it's that I consider the (admittedly limited) historical pattern and don't assume that a distinction will be made. Sure, you could gamble on it not being re-released, but then that's what it is: a gamble, and you need to accept that you can lose those. vOv

That was a statement that didn't say what I intended and was corrected. My point being that neither item has any value that is explicitly tied to that of another item in game. Or had rather, the shirts in the FW LP store broke this comparison.

Then I guess we can both agree that the nex as a whole is pretty silly and created a dynamic which meshes horribly with the rest of the game. It looks like statements regarding the protection of the investments of those who already bought into it are strong confirmations that it won't be going anywhere unless we revisit another situation like this on a far grander scale. Hence the comments I made were more focused on keeping it as separate as possible than advocating it's removal.

I can agree to disagree here. It's more about the barier of entry to the game rather than the absolute cost of the item in controlling supply. Making the surrender of $200+ a prerequisite for an item's creation, while true that surrender was for a separate purchase, to me does create a major distinction from items which were obtained simply by incurring the cost of being able to log into the game. Especially when that distinction must be paid in cash by the originator of the item. Granted the nature of the item is frivolous, though, as was pointed out earlier, when you have fostered a collectors mentality in some of your customers with truly limited release items, of which there are several, it makes sense to not preemptively kill interest in any future offers of a similar nature.

There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).

There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen.

Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription.

CCP admitted that having those Ishukone & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) re-issued on NeX store for mere fraction of the original market value, was a mistake. I understand that you disagree with my sentiment, but what are you trying to achieve by keep telling everyone that we, the players, should solely assume the cost of CCP's mistake? CCP promised a reparation. Could you say something that is more productive than saying "you don't deserve this" over and over again?

I'd be happily fitting them to my ship, because I wasn't silly enough to make an investment into a commodity with nothing aside from its numismatic value.

You lost money on an Investment. You thought you were going to make money on it. You lost out on an investment. That happens, and that's why it's an investment.

He probably didn't forget it. He just wouldn't do it. After all, why would he?

Where did he claim anything of the kind?

Yes. Why wouldn't I? Estamels for 66M — cheap enough to fit on just about anything that is worth protecting (and which, with Estamels, will now be very well protected) — what's not to like?

…oh, and as an added bonus, the tears from the T2 BPO holders would be glorious.

Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. Then without a warning, the same government introduced a regulation that decreased the value of the firm from $20 billion to $20 million. Are you telling me that without a doubt, you will be content with the situation and you will have no single thread of grudge against this dilema?

Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question?