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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-06-25 18:06:21 UTC
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Doc Mulder wrote:
I think it's funny.

Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too...


I think it's funny too.

What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each.


Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt.


Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
Cassidy Doom
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-25 18:06:22 UTC
It's pretty lame. I considered the promotion when it came out as well. Glad I didn't fall for it. And the message CCP is sending us right now - is their promotions are lies.

Anyone not seeing this as bad business is just baiting you - ignoring them is your best bet.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#23 - 2012-06-25 18:07:16 UTC
Oh wait, for a minute I thought OP was talking about a real shirt.

Dude, it's all pixels anyway. Seriously there are more important things in life, and if something like that makes you mad, I pity you.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-06-25 18:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
The Antiquarian wrote:
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Doc Mulder wrote:
I think it's funny.

Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too...


I think it's funny too.

What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each.


Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt.


Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.


The Plex was not worth the cash?
EDIT: I'm confused.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-06-25 18:10:29 UTC
I for one, agree with the antique guy. If CCP is going to reissue limited addition items the least they could do is stamp them with "Date Commissioned" or something so the originals retain some spacevalue...

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-06-25 18:10:53 UTC
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Doc Mulder wrote:
I think it's funny.

Just like 30 years ago when my buddy bought an 8088 PC for $5 Grand...and 6 months later it could be had for $900.00. I laughed at him too...


I think it's funny too.

What you say has nothing to do with our issue. We are not talking about the obsolescence of an item or the decrease in price because of increase in supply. We are talking about CCP's "almost-cryptic-deceptive" marketing practice that incentivize us to dish out hundreds of dollars by making it sound as if this unique collectible item is obtainable contingent upon paying actual cash, when 6 months down the road, they resell it for 50 cents each.


Read that with attention folks, he didn't bough the Plex, he bought the digital shirt.


Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.


The Plex was not worth the cash?
EDIT: I'm confused.


No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.
Metamonic
Bubbles Bubbles Bubbles
#27 - 2012-06-25 18:14:43 UTC
Wow, if this is true OP has my full sympathy. CCP should really have a long hard look at their marketing department and put the people responsible under a very bright light.

Dont worry about all people in this thread trying to belittle your concern, they are just either very new at mmo's or not sharing the same sense of perspective as the likes of people who can see a little further ahead down the road.

If I were affected, especially for a price like that I would look for reversing the payment if possible with a chargeback unless CCP comes out recognizing what they've done and make amends.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#28 - 2012-06-25 18:19:42 UTC
It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.

Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.

/thread

I'm an American, English is my second language...

Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-25 18:23:24 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.


But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for.
And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product.

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-06-25 18:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Bootleg Jack wrote:
It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.

Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.

/thread


Once again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. What you describe is an obsolescence of an item & depreciating in price due to increase in supply. That does not apply for Ishukone Special Edition shirt.

I am outraged because of CCP's cryptic marketing practices.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-25 18:24:50 UTC
You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here.
Alerada
Surprise It's Cthulhu
#32 - 2012-06-25 18:25:39 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
It went on sale later, it happens IRL in almost all cases as the newer stuff comes out the old goes on sale.

Mass production sets in and prices drop, the $100,000 status symbols of today are the Walmart specials of tomorrow.

/thread


Once again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. What you describe is an obsolescence of an item & depreciating in price due to increase supply. That does not apply for Ishukone Special Edition shirt.

I am outraged because of CCP's cryptic marketing practices.


consider it an extended pre-order!
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-06-25 18:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.


But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for.
And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product.



When Ishukone Special Edition shirt was initially advertised, the site made it sound as if purchasing 13 x PLEXs is the only viable venue to obtain the special shirt. I did get 13 x PLEXs, but the main driver of me having to purchase the PLEXs was to obtain that special shirt. So we can't just easily dismiss the shirt as a "oh it was a bonus item. you shouldn't complain." It's not that simple.

Once again, if CCP was clear from the beginning about how the shirt will be sold for $0.50 cents in the future, even an impulsive nerdy ingame item lover like me, wouldn't have gone through that damn bundle deal.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-06-25 18:27:11 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here.


Funny thing here is that I would've purchased many more alike items if CCP kept it truly unique and exclusive as it initially advertised.

Everyone values things differently. Do not forget that.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-25 18:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
The Antiquarian wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here.


Funny thing here is that I would've purchased many more alike items if CCP kept it truly unique and exclusive as it initially advertised.

Everyone values things differently. Do not forget that.

Exactly. You valued it enough to spend 13 PLEX on it so that you could have a "unique" item (with no guarantee of its continued uniqueness) for as long as the Eve Online servers were running. At no time did they explicitly state that it would always cost that much (note: if they did, I apologize, and you should raise hell, but you seem to have no proof of this). Clearly, you valued that shirt at around 200$ using the information you were given at the time. Price drops happen all the time on all sorts of items, and anyone with an IQ above that of your average bacteria knew that prices on most gear would eventually drop. Therefore, there is no problem here, and this thread sucks.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-06-25 18:35:00 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

No. I had no immediate use for 39 x PLEXs. The cost includes postponement of spending on other alternatives/earning interests from real investments.


But you still got the PLEX. They are worth the same in terms of game time wich is what they are meant for.
And if you paid for exclusivity you had it, for 6 months. I personally don't understand this logic since we are far into the industrial age. No matter what anyone says, no product is unique, even less a digital product.



When Ishukone Special Edition shirt was initially advertised, the site made it sound as if purchasing 13 x PLEXs is the only viable venue to obtain the special shirt. I did get 13 x PLEXs, but the main driver of me having to purchase the PLEXs was to obtain that special shirt. So we can't just easily dismiss the shirt as a "oh it was a bonus item. you shouldn't complain." It's not that simple.

Once again, if CCP was clear from the beginning about how the shirt will be sold for $0.50 cents in the future, even an impulsive nerdy ingame item lover like me, wouldn't have gone through that damn bundle deal.


I don't think CCP knew they would have to sell it cheap. Their intended consumers refuse to buy any digital item that costed more than material items so they had to change. Maybe you should reconsider your values. Now THAT is not simple, but people do it all the time.
Mangold
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#37 - 2012-06-25 18:35:19 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

Yes, I bought PLEXs to get the damn shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.


Quote of the week. You just made my day. Thank you.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-25 18:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Eternal Error wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
You spent around 200$ on a virtual t-shirt and got taken out behind the woodshed. I fail to see the problem here.


Funny thing here is that I would've purchased many more alike items if CCP kept it truly unique and exclusive as it initially advertised.

Everyone values things differently. Do not forget that.

Exactly. You valued it enough to spend 13 PLEX on it so that you could have a "unique" item (with no guarantee of its continued uniqueness) for as long as the Eve Online servers were running. At no time did they explicitly state that it would always cost that much (note: if they did, I apologize, and you should raise hell, but you seem to have no proof of this). Clearly, you valued that shirt at around 200$ using the information you were given at the time. Price drops happen all the time on all sorts of item, and anyone with an IQ above that of your average bacteria knew that prices on most gear would eventually drop. Therefore, there is no problem here, and this thread sucks.


Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives.

What we have here, Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, was advertised by CCP as if purchasing 13 x PLEX was the sole venue to obtain the item. Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer" so I don't see why I shouldn't be outraged at CCP when they decided to reissue the shirt for $0.50 cents. Before you go on insulting me about my IQ and telling me how my thread sucks, you should study more about economics. It could be a powerful tool for you in the future.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-25 18:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
The Antiquarian wrote:

Once again, as I mentioned again and again, what you say has nothing to do with my issue. "prices on most gear would eventually drop" only applies to items that are susceptible to market forces including change in supplies or the availability of the next best alternatives.

What we have here, Ishukone Special Edition Shirt, was advertised by CCP as if purchasing 13 x PLEX was the sole venue to obtain the item. Also, we all knew that it was a one-time event since it did specify "special one-time offer" so I don't see why I shouldn't be outraged at CCP when they decided to reissue the shirt for $0.50 cents. Before you go on insulting me about my IQ and telling me how my thread sucks, you should study more about economics. It could be a powerful tool for you in the future.

It has everything to do with your issue. Price drops can occur for any reason, not just increases in supply or obsolescence (examples: video games several months of release i.e. decrease in demand/trying to increase volume, or airplane ticket/hotel pricing based on when you book). You continue to repeat that it was advertised "as if" the price would never drop (one-time offer just means that that offer won't happen again, not that a better one won't happen in the future. It's lame, but come on). That is your interpretation. Unless you can produce proof that they explicitly stated that the price would remain that way, this one is on you.

Also, your understanding of economics is lackluster at best.

EDIT: I just read Tippia's post below this one. Am I to understand that you bought 13 PLEX, received the PLEX, AND got the shirt for free? I thought you paid 200$ for JUST the shirt. If it is the former, then wtf are you complaining about?
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-06-25 18:44:23 UTC
This issue is indeed stupid. Thread OP is naive at his best but I sense CCP's fashion department will intervene for the sake of overall beatifulness and to restore the faith of space virtual supermodels.