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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#301 - 2012-06-28 04:42:52 UTC
They also removed the discounted launch items (Greave Knee Boots, Mysterio Boots, etc.) and restored them to their previous AUR prices.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#302 - 2012-06-28 04:48:27 UTC
It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.

It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#303 - 2012-06-28 04:52:30 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.

It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing.
It was pretty crystal clear from the get-go: you got a free shirt.

If you overvalued your free shirt, then that's your problem, not CCP's.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#304 - 2012-06-28 04:54:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'm not seeing them in the Noble Exchange either.
Personally, I don't even see it on the market, so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about. I asked somewhere back on page [very early], but got no answer (which goes with the overall theme of the OP not really being able to show what it is he's complaining about). It might all just be a storm in a tea cup…


Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game. When it became obvious the items were pulled from the NeX, we bought out the market before the price jump. I can assure you that there were plenty. You are not making yourself look good by saying you haven't seen them in the market. Log into the game and look again.

Mr Epeen Cool
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2012-06-28 04:56:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
It is imperative that CCP Devs need to clarify this issue, not merely by simply taking out the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, but a verbal admittance of their screw-up and their assurance that those who took the "leap of faith" are not in the constant fear of having their investments being devalued to "dust" due to CCP's carelessness.

It is imperative because the success of CCP's future marketing promotions depends on accountability and clarity. Once again, no players should be afraid of partaking in CCP's future marketing promotions or NEX Store because of the constant fear of having their investments devalued next to nothing.
It was pretty crystal clear from the get-go: you got a free shirt.

If you overvalued your free shirt, then that's your problem, not CCP's.


Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful.

350,000 active players make up the EVE Online. It is vital that there is a healthy stream of those who purchase PLEX for cash / delve in marketing promotions for the long-term success of this beautiful game. At the end of the day, cash inflow is the biggest determinant of the longevity of any profit-seeking entity.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#306 - 2012-06-28 05:01:05 UTC
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#307 - 2012-06-28 05:02:10 UTC
Buy up the cheap shirts and destroy them, resell some of them and recoup your loses. RollRoll

Empire, the next new world order.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#308 - 2012-06-28 05:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game.
…where they weren't listed in either the NeX or the market over here. Now, I'll grant you that, considering what a piece of useless tat the NeX is (and considering that it has done this on multiple occasions before), it simply didn't show up unless you did the correct rubber-chicken-wave dance, but there's a reason why I asked what the item was actually called a dozen pages back: because I wasn't seeing it.

Not as in "no items available" — I mean as in "not listed in the clothing section". If there has been a new patch since yesterday, I suppose I could update and see if anything has changed (not that it really matters as far as the OP's core complaint goes).

The Antiquarian wrote:
Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful.
So wait… is that an argument for or against this kind of promotion? Anyway, the good news is that they weren't playing any word games to begin with. They were making a standard one-time special offer: 13 PLEX + shirt, and you got exactly that. You just got suckered in the same way people get suckered by those “free with purchase” offers you see everywhere in modern society.

The effect it has on future promotions is nil (unless, at some point, they offer a genuine “limited edition” and make it unlimited, but that's not what we're talking about here).
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2012-06-28 05:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Maybe you're not seeing them because all the people like me, instead of watching the forums, were watching the actual game.
…where they weren't listed in either the NeX or the market over here. Now, I'll grant you that, considering what a piece of useless tat the NeX is (and considering that it has done this on multiple occasions before), it simply didn't show up unless you did the correct rubber-chicken-wave dance, but there's a reason why I asked what the item was actually called a dozen pages back: because I wasn't seeing it.

Not as in "no items available" — I mean as in "not listed in the clothing section". If there has been a new patch since yesterday, I suppose I could update and see if anything has changed (not that it really matters as far as the OP's core complaint goes).

The Antiquarian wrote:
Playing wording games and adhering to your suggestions will only ruin the prospect of CCP's future marketing promotions and NEX Store from being successful.
So wait… is that an argument for or against this kind of promotion? Anyway, the good news is that they weren't playing any word games to begin with. They were making a standard one-time special offer: 13 PLEX + shirt, and you got exactly that. You just got suckered in the same way people get suckered by those “free with purchase” offers you see everywhere in modern society.

The effect it has on future promotions is nil (unless, at some point, they offer a genuine “limited edition” and make it unlimited, but that's not what we're talking about here).


You and your wording games again. For a game that is deemed old and perceived to be suitable only for niche crowds, effective marketing promotions become even more crucial to incentivize prospective players from joining EVE Online. That includes transparant marketing practices with assurance that when CCP claims that a deal is "special," it is indeed a special deal. That includes wordings like "one-time offer" which should translate to "one-time offer" of definite nature, not being available in the future periods.

If CCP continues to say "one-time" here and "limited-time" there, while having those goodies available for prices of feces, then the power of marketing diminishes and no one will eventually take CCP's marketing promotions seriously.

Obviously you and I think and value things differently, but I am sure we can both agree that we truly care about this game. Our approach might be different, but you have to admit, the longevity of this game and CCP as a corporation, depends on cash inflows (or at least, the expectation of growth opportunity in the near future). For Christ's sake, stop playing your damn wording games and try to at least make an effort, to understand and analyze the end result of having to adhere to my resolutions relative to yours. You will note that my resolutions will create value for both CCP and players, while yours have pretty much zero net effect and maintain current status quo.
Disdaine
#310 - 2012-06-28 05:44:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about


Wow.
Phill Esteen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#311 - 2012-06-28 06:15:12 UTC
well that was weird

Disdaine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about


Wow.


confirming that posting without knowing what you are posting about makes GD way more fun

– postum faex est – 

never forget
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#312 - 2012-06-28 06:16:37 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
so I still kind of wonder exactly what shirt the OP is talking about


Wow.


Wow I didn't see that. So that pretty much validates that Tippia is here only to spite others and play his "wording games." Despite Tippia's persistant rambling about him being fully aware of the PLEX Purchase & Ishukone Shirt/Collector's Edition & Women's Executor Shirt (Red/Gold) marketing promotions, he actually hasn't even seen the promotions, or let alone, knows which items we are talking about!

What is the point of taking your points seriously when you derive your arguments based on base-less rumors by others?
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#313 - 2012-06-28 06:41:46 UTC
It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#314 - 2012-06-28 06:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
KrakizBad wrote:
It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.


Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store.

Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions.

Oh an most importantly, CCP's assurance that such mishap won't ever happen. Or at least, CCP's promise for a more transparant marketing practices/messages.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#315 - 2012-06-28 06:45:45 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.


Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store.

Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions.

Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we?
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#316 - 2012-06-28 06:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
KrakizBad wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
It's funny that you think it invalidates the argument.


Well, at least CCP agreed half of the points addressed by us and subsequently removed the items in questions, out of NEX Store.

Still one issue remains: reparation & returning the disenfranchised owners to the previous financial conditions.

Let's count all the times CCP has done that after altering something that an investor lost money on, shall we?


Recent returns with the rare collectibles including Python, Asp, Anaconda, unique ores, Hellhound and rare Mining - Elite/UNUSED drones, and countless number of mine BPCs after their initial screw-up.

And this is crucial to strengthen the "invested people's" confidence in the CCP's corporate governance and marketing practices.

If CCP wants an effective marketing promotions, they need to resolve these issues first.
Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#317 - 2012-06-28 07:03:32 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

If CCP continues to say "one-time" here and "limited-time" there, while having those goodies available for prices of *****, then the power of marketing diminishes and no one will eventually take CCP's marketing promotions seriously.


If you bought 13 PLEX just to obtain a shirt... then you sir, are an absolute moron. I am hoping that you bought the 13 PLEX for the 13 PLEX and the shirt was just a bonus. Looking at your whinging for the past 18 pages though, I am now quite certain you were after the interweb shirt Shocked.

It's like every other marketing strategy out there: buy one, get one free; for a limited time only you also get this; call within the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in this piece of junk for free. It's called MARKETING and one thing CCP can always bank on is stupidity of people, no matter what the market share is.

So, why should CCP not take advantage of peoples stupidity and capitalise on it? People do it all the time, everywhere, in every way.

The funny thing is though, that you didn't even get ripped off. You just imagined that this was a special, one-time item. In fact, it was a one-time offer – [b]referring to the 13 PLEX + shirt[b]. The "one-time" or "limited" had no relevance to the future availability of either PLEX or the shirt itself. You just imagined that part and are now calling it "word play" because your realised your stupidity in believing that this was a limited edition item, when it was never advertised as such.

If anything CCP should continue marketing in such a way because I am positive that there will always be lowest denominators in society that will do exactly what you have done and CCP will, and rightfully should, profit from it. Others will purchase the same shirt and sell it after a week to get even more profit out of it, because they were smart enough to realise that with ongoing upgrades and developments of the NEX store, any vanity item will become available and their value will drop.

I truly hope you don’t handle your own finances.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#318 - 2012-06-28 07:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Katie Frost wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

If CCP continues to say "one-time" here and "limited-time" there, while having those goodies available for prices of *****, then the power of marketing diminishes and no one will eventually take CCP's marketing promotions seriously.


If you bought 13 PLEX just to obtain a shirt... then you sir, are an absolute moron. I am hoping that you bought the 13 PLEX for the 13 PLEX and the shirt was just a bonus. Looking at your whinging for the past 18 pages though, I am now quite certain you were after the interweb shirt Shocked.

It's like every other marketing strategy out there: buy one, get one free; for a limited time only you also get this; call within the next 30 minutes and we'll throw in this piece of junk for free. It's called MARKETING and one thing CCP can always bank on is stupidity of people, no matter what the market share is.

So, why should CCP not take advantage of peoples stupidity and capitalise on it? People do it all the time, everywhere, in every way.

The funny thing is though, that you didn't even get ripped off. You just imagined that this was a special, one-time item. In fact, it was a one-time offer – [b]referring to the 13 PLEX + shirt[b]. The "one-time" or "limited" had no relevance to the future availability of either PLEX or the shirt itself. You just imagined that part and are now calling it "word play" because your realised your stupidity in believing that this was a limited edition item, when it was never advertised as such.

If anything CCP should continue marketing in such a way because I am positive that there will always be lowest denominators in society that will do exactly what you have done and CCP will, and rightfully should, profit from it. Others will purchase the same shirt and sell it after a week to get even more profit out of it, because they were smart enough to realise that with ongoing upgrades and developments of the NEX store, any vanity item will become available and their value will drop.

I truly hope you don’t handle your own finances.


Here you are preaching me about finance, when you don't even understand the basic concept of "risk." There are indirect costs associated with purchasing needless 39 x PLEXs all at once, after having been incentivized by CCP to do so with unclear marketing promotions. Far more costs than merely the specified costs.

Before you start preaching me about finance, I suggest that you beef up on your understanding of finance and economics first. My finance is very sound, both here in EVE Online and outside the game, in RL situation. My only mistake was the assumption that I set when purchasing those PLEXs. I held CCP as a refutable company that does not resort to the marketing practices commonly utilized by cash-desperate - deceptive companies including Cryptics, Mythics, and Perfect Entertainment.
Dheeradj Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#319 - 2012-06-28 08:48:55 UTC
Well, seeing as the shirt in question is removed from the NeX Store, CCP still bends backwards for whiny bitches like OP....

By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.

-Abdiel Kavash
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#320 - 2012-06-28 08:56:54 UTC
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
Well, seeing as the shirt in question is removed from the NeX Store, CCP still bends backwards for whiny bitches like OP....


Whiny ***** with a valid reasoning, my community college friend.