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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2012-06-27 19:06:35 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
a person of mediocre intellect

i found your problem

have someone of normal intellect explain what the offer means to you next time instead of doing it yourself

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Wille Sanara
No Shoosting
#242 - 2012-06-27 19:06:55 UTC
I think Antik is right and this deserves an answer from development team.
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#243 - 2012-06-27 19:07:26 UTC
How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#244 - 2012-06-27 19:08:14 UTC
Ariel Marquette wrote:
How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong.


Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue."
Bill Loney
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#245 - 2012-06-27 19:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bill Loney
The Antiquarian wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
[quote=The Antiquarian] I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.

There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling marketing tactic used by CCP.
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Fixed
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#246 - 2012-06-27 19:08:24 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.

ccp forced me, against my will, to spend $300 on virtual clothing

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#247 - 2012-06-27 19:08:26 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Except you forgot to take into account about my actual real-life financials. This is a pointless exercise.


everyone on the internet is Warren Buffett

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#248 - 2012-06-27 19:10:03 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.

no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants

i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week


I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#249 - 2012-06-27 19:11:16 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.



So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok?

Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.



Why are you copy pasting a reply to a previous poster instead of reading what I wrote and responding accordingly? The error was yours, not CCP's. No-one has deprived you, deceived you or falsely advertised anything. The advert was quite clear, the shirt was a freebie and the offer was for the reduced price on the PLEX.

Also, please respond to the section of your post that I quoted and made a statement about. Thank you.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Alerada
Surprise It's Cthulhu
#250 - 2012-06-27 19:11:35 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.

no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants

i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week


I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that.


Guess you don't need to complain then is there's nothing wrong with that.
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#251 - 2012-06-27 19:11:35 UTC
Hey, now he's claiming that the devs are privately taking his side via mails! Any more unverifiable claims you'd like to make?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#252 - 2012-06-27 19:11:54 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.

just because you don't understand why this is shameful doesn't mean the rest of us don't

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2012-06-27 19:12:49 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.



So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok?

Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.



Why are you copy pasting a reply to a previous poster instead of reading what I wrote and responding accordingly? The error was yours, not CCP's. No-one has deprived you, deceived you or falsely advertised anything. The advert was quite clear, the shirt was a freebie and the offer was for the reduced price on the PLEX.

Also, please respond to the section of your post that I quoted and made a statement about. Thank you.


I do this because my previous answer covers it. I do this because what you asked, was asked by dozen others.
Alerada
Surprise It's Cthulhu
#254 - 2012-06-27 19:13:14 UTC
Ariel Marquette wrote:
Hey, now he's claiming that the devs are privately taking his side via mails! Any more unverifiable claims you'd like to make?


I bet he thinks the logs show things too
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#255 - 2012-06-27 19:13:30 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Ariel Marquette wrote:
How many times are you going to repeat the same bogus argument? Everyone here has examined the details of the offer, and you're the only one who seems to have gotten it all wrong.


Not really because the mail I just got back from one of the CCP Devs said he is "aware of the issue."


Which simply means he has read either this or the feed back thread.

I suppose they could refund the 500 AUR price to you as a gesture of good will.

Again, a one time offer to get a special price on PLEX and an additional Special Edition shirt with purchase is one thing.

A one time offer to aquire a Special Edition shirt is quite another.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2012-06-27 19:13:33 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.

no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants

i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week


I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.


except that a person who spends $260 on "nerdy items" and plays EVE would probably buy tangible goods, like, say these things

You didn't spend $260 on the shirt, you spent it on PLEX. This is a fact no matter how much you insist otherwise.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2012-06-27 19:13:55 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.

just because you don't understand why this is shameful doesn't mean the rest of us don't


Then you have no understanding of basic economics. I pity you and your community college education.
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#258 - 2012-06-27 19:15:21 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

I spent $260 to get a damn virtual shirt. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am spending what I earned. Some spend it on hookers and enjoy a colorful concoction of STDs and Herpies. I spend it on nerdy items.


Holy dog excrement! You really do believe you paid $260 for a shirt? I repeat my earlier question: Can I have all the free PLEX you got with your shirt?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#259 - 2012-06-27 19:15:52 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

Then you have no understanding of basic economics. I pity you and your community college education.

ahahahahahahahahaha

do you even know what economics is

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#260 - 2012-06-27 19:16:14 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:


I do this because my previous answer covers it. I do this because what you asked, was asked by dozen others.



Incorrect. You failed to respond to the section of your previous post that I had quoted. That is the real issue here after all.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.