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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2012-06-27 18:40:49 UTC
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
The only reason that Warcraft and Starcraft got successfull was because they got 2 great base games to built upon.

(Warhammer and Warhammer 40k for those wondering....)


I am talking about Blizzards' marketing practices. Not about its reason for success. Just comparing one reputable company to another and trust me, prior to this incident, I held CCP more venerated than any other gaming companies out there. Now, I am just annoyed.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#222 - 2012-06-27 18:41:07 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!


I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.


I know. =/
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#223 - 2012-06-27 18:43:55 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!


I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.


yeah they stole his money by giving him what he paid for (the 13 PLEX) and later offering the free promotional item that came with the 13 plex to the hoi polloi

this is an outrage

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#224 - 2012-06-27 18:44:18 UTC
Quote:
... NEX store...


I see your first mistake there.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#225 - 2012-06-27 18:48:58 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Quote:
... NEX store...


I see your first mistake there.


Not everyone was against NEX Store. I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.

Lowing the supply of rare ores and increasing its price by 20%-30% is one thing, but artificially implementing a change that deprives hundreds of investors by negative 10,000% return, is far from being "just."

Once again, Dev response to this would be much appreciated.
Bill Loney
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#226 - 2012-06-27 18:51:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt

laffo

This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#227 - 2012-06-27 18:52:44 UTC
The devs are too busy laughing at this complaint to type anything coherent.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#228 - 2012-06-27 18:53:42 UTC
Bill Loney wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt

laffo

This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#229 - 2012-06-27 18:53:47 UTC
Bill Loney wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt

laffo

This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.


Yeah, that's basically a tl;dr of this entire thread.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#230 - 2012-06-27 18:54:04 UTC
1: This is a one time offer to purchase 13 PLEX for a special price and we will also give you a Special Edition shirt with purchase.

2: This is a one time offer to purchase a Special Edition shirt.

You need to understand the difference between these two sentences.

You could just as easily swap 13 PLEX for 1 year subscription, and Special Edition shirt for Special Edition Azure Blue Armor in either sentence.

If you did the offer Blizzard tends to make would be the second sentence, and has a completely different meaning than the first sentence.

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2012-06-27 18:54:10 UTC
Ariel Marquette wrote:
The devs are too busy laughing at this complaint to type anything coherent.


Yea I know. The sad reality (for me at least) is that what you say is probably true.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#232 - 2012-06-27 18:54:36 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

Lowing the supply of rare ores and increasing its price by 20%-30% is one thing, but artificially implementing a change that deprives hundreds of investors by negative 10,000% return, is far from being "just."

Once again, Dev response to this would be much appreciated.

you got owned son because you are a goddamned idiot

unfortunately, the devs probably aren't supposed to be explicit about that

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#233 - 2012-06-27 18:56:25 UTC
I recommend that the OP stop following this thread until (if) it has the blue tag he's looking for. In the meantime, he can play World of Whinecraft, where he apparently has spent hundreds on promotional pixels that are still exclusive to the folks willing to shell out piles of real cash.
Bill Loney
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#234 - 2012-06-27 18:56:51 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Bill Loney wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt

laffo

This puts it into perspective and makes it even funnier.


blah blah blah.

That is how u perceived the wording, but anyone in there small intelect world would realise that.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#235 - 2012-06-27 18:56:56 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:

Lowing the supply of rare ores and increasing its price by 20%-30% is one thing, but artificially implementing a change that deprives hundreds of investors by negative 10,000% return, is far from being "just."

Once again, Dev response to this would be much appreciated.

you got owned son because you are a goddamned idiot

unfortunately, the devs probably aren't supposed to be explicit about that


But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2012-06-27 18:59:22 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.


you gotta admit, The Mittani has made some pretty decent financial decisions compared to you considering that he's, well, set for life at 30

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#237 - 2012-06-27 19:02:51 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.



So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok?

Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2012-06-27 19:03:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.


you gotta admit, The Mittani has made some pretty decent financial decisions compared to you considering that he's, well, set for life at 30


Except you forgot to take into account about my actual real-life financials. This is a pointless exercise.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#239 - 2012-06-27 19:04:12 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
I had nothing against NEX Store until several of the items that I've purchased for hundreds of millions in ISK, were being sold for $0.50 cents upon the recent patch on NEX.



So as long as it was profitable to you, everything was fine? And once that changed it was suddenly not ok?

Also, the limited offer referred to the cheap PLEX and not the shirt (which you got for free) which is why people here do not understand your complaint. Now, if the offer had said that you would be getting a one off shirt that was only ever going to be available by taking advantage of that particular promotion, then you would have cause for complaint. As it stands your arguments and complaints are invalid.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#240 - 2012-06-27 19:05:52 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:

But you gotta admit, my idiocy is nothing compared to the level of idiocy exhibited by the Great Mittani, your Dear Leader.

no dear leader never spent $300 just to acquire virtual pants

i will take drunkenly making a fool of yourself over spending $300 on virtual pants any day of the week

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.