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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Sidious Lord
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-06-27 14:53:16 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Don't ***** at CCP because you were ******** enough to buy a monocle for 70 dollars and virtual clothes for 20 dollars each.

Thanks.


Completely irrelevant for this thread. Please read thread (or at least the first page) before posting.

Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute

Dheeradj Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2012-06-27 15:21:50 UTC
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.



I started reading this thread, thinking "Dafuq CCP"....


Then I actually did the math

By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.

-Abdiel Kavash

The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-06-27 16:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.
Heldrigan Saken
Doomheim
#204 - 2012-06-27 17:04:21 UTC
Caveat Emptor
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#205 - 2012-06-27 17:49:47 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.


We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Portifino line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Portifino cigars (value $90.00) for only $79.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.

6 months later...

We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Petite line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Petite cigars (value $75.00) for only $59.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.

1 year later...

Due to demand we are pleased to annouce that our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighter emblazoned with the Macanudo logo will now be available for purchase at your local tobacco shop for $14.95.

None of this is unfactual advertising, and is legitimately done every day in just about every industry you can name. Any claims made that they should not be allowed to include their Special Edition lighter (that they often use to sweeten introductory offers) in more than one advertising campaign, or eventually for seperate sale, would be laughed at.

The lighter isn't the "one time offer", it is the sale price on that particular item along with their branded lighter being thrown in addtionally that is the "one time offer".

They could easily run that same offer with as many different lines of their cigars as they like, or on the same line but with a different item (say a branded cigar cutter) thrown in instead.

By the same token, they can sell as many of their Special Edition lighters as they wish. The fact that they have a unique color or logo on them is what makes them a Special Edition, not a limit on how many are going to be made or sold via various methods.

This is exactly the same type of offer that was made that included the shirts in question.

At some point you have to take responsibility as a consumer to actually read what an offer is saying before you accept it.

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Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#206 - 2012-06-27 17:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Norrin Ellis
The Antiquarian wrote:

. . . many of us were compelled to purchase . . . .


Enticed, not compelled.

The Antiquarian wrote:

. . . with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.


To my knowledge, CCP has not made the same offer (1 shirt with purchase of 13 PLEX) again, so the claim was entirely true.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2012-06-27 17:55:40 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.


We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Portifino line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Portifino cigars (value $90.00) for only $79.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.

6 months later...

We are proud to introduce a new line of our famous Macanudo cigar, the Petite line. We are pleased to make a one time only offer of a box of 25 Macanudo Petite cigars (value $75.00) for only $59.95 all month long. Additionally we are going to include one of our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighters emblazoned with the Macanudo logo with purchase.

1 year later...

Due to demand we are pleased to annouce that our Special Edition Colibri cigar lighter emblazoned with the Macanudo logo will now be available for purchase at your local tobacco shop for $14.95.

None of this is unfactual advertising, and is legitimately done every day in just about every industry you can name. Any claims made that they should not be allowed to include their Special Edition lighter (that they often use to sweeten introductory offers) in more than one advertising campaign, or eventually for seperate sale, would be laughed at.

The lighter isn't the "one time offer", it is the sale price on that particular item along with their branded lighter being thrown in addtionally that is the "one time offer".

They could easily run that same offer with as many different lines of their cigars as they like, or on the same line but with a different item (say a branded cigar cutter) thrown in instead.

By the same token, they can sell as many of their Special Edition lighters as they wish. The fact that they have a unique color or logo on them is what makes them a Special Edition, not a limit on how many are going to be made or sold via various methods.

This is exactly the same type of offer that was made that included the shirts in question.

At some point you have to take responsibility as a consumer to actually read what an offer is saying before you accept it.


It is pleasing to know that you also enjoy fine cigars. I suggest that you try Romeo Y Julieta from Habana.

You provide an interesting analogy, but once again, just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well. Once again, a logical person with mediocre intelligence would assume and take the following words literally, when a reputable company says the offer is a "one-time-offer." As I've mentioned before, I've been in the business of collecting rare oddities and unique items in EVE Online for the past several years and despite several short-fallings, CCP has maintained a good job keeping unique and rare collectible that were associated with "one-time offer" truly unique. It has been only recently (2011 Fall) that CCP deviated from the previous marketing practices, and hence, our zeal to express our anger and demand for clear answers.
Boober Fraggle
#208 - 2012-06-27 17:59:14 UTC
I dunno, i got banned from the forums 3 times for saying "go **** yourself".

Pretty Lame IMHO. They kept a whole thread about saying how terrible my hometown is and that I'm a piece of **** by virtue of living in Pittsburgh.

Pretty fuckin weak to leave this one up and not ban OP. Just sayin you guys are biased as hell.
Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#209 - 2012-06-27 18:01:07 UTC
#newedenproblems

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#210 - 2012-06-27 18:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
The Antiquarian wrote:
You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true.
No, it's in fact entirely true. You got exactly what you paid for, and you got a freebie thrown in just for fun. You are now crying that what you got for free is available to others as a much higher price than you paid for it.

Quote:
Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.
There was nothing deceptive or ambiguous about it: the offer was a one-time deal — you have not been able to buy 13 PLEX and get that shirt for free ever since. The availability of the shirt through other means does not retroactively change the nature of that offer or make the wording false. For that to happen, they'd have to reintroduce the exact same offer (13 PLEX + the same shirt) again.

…and even then, you'd still be complaining about how other people have to pay more for something you got for nothing.

Quote:
just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well.
Uhm… yes it pretty much does. CCP uses the same freebie-with-purchase scheme as everyone else. Assuming that it will work like every other freebie-with-purchase scheme seems rather natural, so the normal assumption would be that they would do it the same way.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2012-06-27 18:14:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true.
No, it's in fact entirely true. You got exactly what you paid for, and you got a freebie thrown in just for fun. You are now crying that what you got for free is available to others as a much higher price than you paid for it.

Quote:
Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt.
There was nothing deceptive or ambiguous about it: the offer was a one-time deal — you have not been able to buy 13 PLEX and get that shirt for free ever since. The availability of the shirt through other means does not retroactively change the nature of that offer or make the wording false. For that to happen, they'd have to reintroduce the exact same offer (13 PLEX + the same shirt) again.

…and even then, you'd still be complaining about how other people have to pay more for something you got for nothing.

Quote:
just because many companies practice such marketing scheme, doesn't make it necessary for all of us to assume that CCP would possibly do the same as well.
Uhm… yes it pretty much does. CCP uses the same freebie-with-purchase scheme as everyone else. Assuming that it will work like every other freebie-with-purchase scheme seems rather natural, so the normal assumption would be that they would do it the same way.


Not everyone. Take a look at Blizzard. They are another reputable publisher of best-selling games, commanding crowds many folds over the current subscribers of EVE Online. When Blizzard says "one-time-deal" for an ingame item, they mean it. It has been true since the Collector's Edition of WoW to ALL THE SUBSEQUENT IN-GAME ITEMS issued afterwards, for the past 7-8 years or so. I assumed CCP was of similar reputable company that keeps its words.

You can keep playing "word games" here, but I am only going to admit the following: my mistake was to believe that CCP's marketing practices hold integrity, as much as Blizzards do.
Dheeradj Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2012-06-27 18:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Esil
The Antiquarian wrote:
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.



Nothing cryptic about it, Limited OFFER, not limited ITEM

And then again, Limited Items are taken into production again when they sell out fast, CCP did nothing wrong, you read something, and assumed wrong

By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.

-Abdiel Kavash

Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#213 - 2012-06-27 18:27:44 UTC
Can I have the free PLEX you got with your $200 shirt?
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#214 - 2012-06-27 18:31:20 UTC
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.


Once again, if you have ever examined the wordings and the marketing gimmick that CCP used to advertise this deal where the ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was issued, a person of mediocre intellect could've assumed that when reading the terms including "one-time offer," "special edition," "one-time only," one could have surely assumed that this was indeed, literally, a one-tine opportunity to acquire this highly collectible shirts. You are absolutely true that the shirt did not cost $260, but CCP surely used a "tie-in contract" to incentivize folks with additional disposable income, to dish out cash for PLEXs, by offering this purported unique items.

You claim that "I got 13 X PLEXs so I should not whine about it" That's not entirely true. Because of CCP's deceptive and ambiguous marketing scheme, many of us were compelled to purchase 13 X PLEXS with the expectation that CCP will hold these wordings including "one-time offer" true for the Shirt. You say we did not incur any costs because we got our PLEXs. There are costs to every transactions and we have incurred more costs than the price of PLEXs themselves. The postponement of purchase for other goods is one. The possibility of having to invest the $260 for additional interest rate is another. There was absolutely no reason for me to purchase 13 X PLEXs all at once, but I did so, because of the compelling and deceptive marketing tactic used my CCP.

What I am asking here, is a simple Dev response that pretty much provides explanation for their odd, cryptic, and deceptive marketing practices.

As mentioned by hundreds of commentators, I understand that I got "****** in every conceivable holes" by CCP.

CCP should provide us with clear message so that this kind of bullshit doesn't happen again... well unless this has been CCP's intention from the beginning.



Nothing cryptic about it, Limited OFFER, not limited ITEM


I hate bringing up another company for a comparison, but I have to resort to this. When a reputable game publisher says "one-time-offer," you take that literally as a "one-time-offer." As mentioned above, Blizzards has been in the business of issuing unique/rare collectibles as well and when they say "one-time-offer," they mean what they say. It has been true ever since the release of the Collector's Edition and has been true for dozens of subsequent in-game items in the course of 7-8 year history of WoW.

You didn't have to hear me moan and whine only if CCP was crystal clear about its marketing promotion. All i am asking is a Dev, giving me/us a clear answer regarding this issue.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2012-06-27 18:32:27 UTC
OP underlined and bolded some stuff. must be important
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2012-06-27 18:33:08 UTC
Riedle wrote:
OP underlined and bolded some stuff. must be important


Extremely important.
Ariel Marquette
Doomheim
#217 - 2012-06-27 18:35:25 UTC
Let's see if CCP continues to allow his shameless advertising for Blizzard on their forums.
Dheeradj Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2012-06-27 18:37:32 UTC
The only reason that Warcraft and Starcraft got successfull was because they got 2 great base games to built upon.

(Warhammer and Warhammer 40k for those wondering....)

By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.

-Abdiel Kavash

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2012-06-27 18:38:39 UTC
you got $60 off on a 13 PLEX deal and you're whining about a shirt

laffo

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#220 - 2012-06-27 18:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
Haha, CCP not only stole your money, but also trolled you something rotten!


I hope this serves as a lesson for the future.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log