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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#181 - 2012-06-27 07:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
All Unique Items becomes obsolete after time.

You were special for while in your own eyes. I got one when it was first released, since even before it was sold with 13 plexes, you could buy it on the Aurum store for 1.2 Billion isk if you have the Isk and I had the saved up Aurum to do so.

Mine costed me nothing, months before you bought yours with your 13 plexes. So to me that spells, you wanted the plexes, the Shirt was just an added bonus. but now you complain that the cost of the shirt in your eyes was 13 plexes.

Some people...

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#182 - 2012-06-27 08:23:26 UTC
My biggest concern is when CCP will give us hats. Compared to other vanity items hats can actually be seen on a players portrait. CCP please give us hats.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Morgorathi
Euaemon
#183 - 2012-06-27 08:26:50 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
My biggest concern is when CCP will give us hats. Compared to other vanity items hats can actually be seen on a players portrait. CCP please give us hats.


OH GOD YES HATS! AND WHEN YOU RELEASE THEM PROMOTIONAL TF2 HATS AS WELL OH GOD GIVE ME MORE HATS!

When did Crime & Punishment become the mercenary employment board?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#184 - 2012-06-27 08:31:23 UTC
My first inclination was to rage and get forum banned. Instead... I'll just drop a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#185 - 2012-06-27 09:08:29 UTC
I'm with the OP on this, there has to be some level of belief in the value of stuff in the game, when some of you nubs are faced with buying a Titan then you're gonna pray that they never give them out like Rifters!

I'm wondering if this is a new 'accidental' CCP Isk sink? If so what could be next? I'd suggest keeping any real cash out of the game if they're gonna act like a corrupt third world treasury.

I put a similiar concern regarding the shirt on the marketing forums:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125876&find=unread
Tobias Durandal
Wasted Prophets
#186 - 2012-06-27 09:18:45 UTC
Does anyone else find it deeply amusing that in a game where people regularly mislead each other, sometimes by being completely honest and allowing the other party to assume in the blanks, an individual is upset the creator of it might be doing the same?




What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#187 - 2012-06-27 10:14:46 UTC
Tobias Durandal wrote:
What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything.
There was no guarantee. There is also no guarantee that someone in Iceland will seed Jove ships for 1 ISK on the market. But there's a certain likelihood that it won't happen. This likelihood was betrayed.

To make it clear: I like diversity when it comes to creating and customising your avatar. I don't generally disagree with cheap NeX items. But a massive devaluation of an investment (either ISK or real world currency) shouldn't happen like this. There was no need for it. Even a small modification could do.

My suggestion would be to modify the new version retrospectively. Change the colours or whatever. It's a virtual item after all. Should be possible.
Tobias Durandal
Wasted Prophets
#188 - 2012-06-27 10:19:51 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Tobias Durandal wrote:
What I'd like to see, if solid proof that you had any guarentee of anything.
There was no guarantee. There is also no guarantee that someone in Iceland will seed Jove ships for 1 ISK on the market. But there's a certain likelihood that it won't happen. This likelihood was betrayed.

To make it clear: I like diversity when it comes to creating and customising your avatar. I don't generally disagree with cheap NeX items. But a massive devaluation of an investment (either ISK or real world currency) shouldn't happen like this. There was no need for it. Even a small modification could do.

My suggestion would be to modify the new version retrospectively. Change the colours or whatever. It's a virtual item after all. Should be possible.



And here's my suggestion. Before entering into a transaction, perhaps really examine what the terms of it are. That way, there's no surprise to you later down the road. If it wasn't set in stone as a guarentee, odds are? It's not gonna happen.
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#189 - 2012-06-27 10:30:19 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
... CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH! ...

Basically I would suggest to treat any item in the game as nonunique.
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#190 - 2012-06-27 10:33:33 UTC
It's about faith not being a lawyer.

Nothing belongs to us legally even our avatars belong to CCP, but industry is a key part of the game from producing to trading, lots of players are drawn to that part of the game and we all have to have faith that certain things in the game are of value and are worth our investment in time, isk, ingenuity or even more seriously real life cash without that trust or if that trust is betrayed then why should any of us bother with a game where everything and anything can suddenly be made worthless?
Rikula
Doomheim
#191 - 2012-06-27 10:54:54 UTC
Captain IQ wrote:
It's about faith not being a lawyer.

Nothing belongs to us legally even our avatars belong to CCP, but industry is a key part of the game from producing to trading, lots of players are drawn to that part of the game and we all have to have faith that certain things in the game are of value and are worth our investment in time, isk, ingenuity or even more seriously real life cash without that trust or if that trust is betrayed then why should any of us bother with a game where everything and anything can suddenly be made worthless?


This is a big part of what I've been saying. Even if CCP was within their rights to do this, is it something they should have done?

There are plenty of reasons for them to not do it.

Plenty of reasons for them to fix it.

Very few, if any, reasons to do it in the first place and leave it as it is.

Basically it works against their goals of trying to build investment in clothing in terms of aurum or ISK - it's bad for them, and bad for players. And I hope they do address it.
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
#192 - 2012-06-27 11:29:36 UTC
Open a petition to have your unique shirt changed to one that says "I bought 13 PLEX and all I got was this fake T-shirt"
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-06-27 12:03:19 UTC
I think this is hilarious. Virtual people crying about virtual stuff being worth virtually nothing. Epic. That you fell for this epic troll by CCP makes me a very happy avatar.

Is this not what people have been saying since the first introduction of the NeX, that you'd be a fool for paying so much for virtual stuff? You, Sir, are now the fool.

Don't ban me, bro!
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#194 - 2012-06-27 12:30:00 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
[...]
At least I agree to your signature! P I still want school uniforms.

Any comments from CCP yet? I just read a reply in a thread complaining about the Monocles. They said that they're not going to be introduced for a few Aurums. So is this double standard or inadvertence? Or both?

And about buying stuff for 13 plex. It's not just about this. I bought the Women's Executor Coat (red/gold) which was part of a special deal in Russia for around 150.000.000 ISK on the market using buy orders. At the same time the lowest sell order was around 430.000.000 ISK. And it sold. It is not only about buying virtual items for real world currency. But I guess haters will be haters...
Rikula
Doomheim
#195 - 2012-06-27 13:11:41 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

Any comments from CCP yet? I just read a reply in a thread complaining about the Monocles. They said that they're not going to be introduced for a few Aurums. So is this double standard or inadvertence? Or both?


Could you link it please?
Dheeradj Esil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#196 - 2012-06-27 13:18:59 UTC
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!

By the same logic, training skills is botting, as it gives an advantage to your character without you being at the keyboard.

-Abdiel Kavash
Alaura Aquila
Sarz'na Khumatari
#197 - 2012-06-27 13:48:50 UTC
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Brb, buying the shirt from some leftover AUR from the EVE Is Real shizzle!


Is that what this is about? If so, the OP doesn't have a leg to stand on. I could see his point if it was a special item to commemorate an event like Fanfest (Quafe shirt or Quafe Iteron), a free bonus item for buying more plex hardly constitutes anything special.
Sidious Lord
Doomheim
#198 - 2012-06-27 13:51:22 UTC
Alaura Aquila wrote:
Dheeradj Esil wrote:
So.... OP bought 13 PLEX, and got a free shirt with it..... Now the shirt is released to the general public, and he complains that he didn't cash it in earlier?


Is that what this is about?


I can confirm this. It is still a miracle that this threads goes on...

Forever faithful to the Royal Amarr Institute
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#199 - 2012-06-27 14:07:27 UTC
Investing in anything related to Incarna given the actual development status it has, it's pretty crazy.
Freezehunter
#200 - 2012-06-27 14:41:54 UTC
Don't ***** at CCP because you were ******** enough to buy a monocle for 70 dollars and virtual clothes for 20 dollars each.

Thanks.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.