EVE General Discussion

I'm still, what I would call: new to this game. I've only been playing it since February 2006 - but there's just something about this game. I think we as players underestimate and take for granted, the amazing work of game design that is this game.

Visually there is nothing that comes close to it in the MMO-world. There is no game that is so vast, so complex and intricate, nor as challenging when it comes to sheer player and social skill. It seems that this community keeps focusing too much on the latest change, the bone most recently held in front of you.

When I listen to something like this it's like a sledgehammer to the head with nostalgia. The old friendships, the plans, the fights, the late nights, the moments of success and failure.

I think that playing a game like this makes you irreversibly spoilt - I try to play another MMO and it seems limited, linear, lacking in atmosphere, size and ability to make a change. I too get caught up in the negativity that sometimes is directed toward the game, whether it is game balance, or sheer boredom.

Sometimes I think people forget that EVE in a sense is like real life, it is what you make of it. That if you sit and do nothing, nothing will happen. Yet somehow people expect others (ie. devs) to give you incentive, when you have so much opportunity to accomplish things by just doing something yourself. Whether it is starting a corporation, starting a fleet, attacking a gatecamp, or hot dropping some lone dude in a drake with your motherships.

It still baffles me that the negativity that comes from inaction creeps out as judgment on the game. That there somehow is the game's fault. I'm in some sense blaming myself too here (because I've been pretty "bored with EVE") as of late. But the reality is, if you undock and fight alongside some friends, there is no game that beats EVE today, and it has potential to be so much more.

So what is the point of this post? Well, it is in a way a sort of plead to people to put things in perspective and accept your own faults in what is this game. We all create it, we're all a part of it.

I of course realize, as always when you post anything on the EVE-forums, people will pick at it and call you a dev-alt, idiot, mewl about the alliance I'm a part of now and whatnot. But it wouldn't be the EVE-forums without it.

If you would have been around since the start you would be in flames as well.

CCP had a good concept, they still do, but for sometime they have been going off course and so ppl are worried.

These can be growing pains, greed, or simply being misdirected by the current market trends.

Your post says alot about how the player community's lack of action is creating the negative experience in Eve...

What action can an individual player take to counter the metagming effect of the out-of-game online clubs that "game" Eve?
What? Organize another 5000 man club? Right.. No prob..

What action can an individual player take to counter the metagaming effect of botting/RMT/Plex=ISk Syndrome?
What ?



Maybe it isn't a problem of player inaction... maybe it is a problem of CCP programmer inaction to rebalance the game by changing the game mechanics to make it possible for the players to counter these metagame imbalances.


Barring CCP doing this, the only solution left is the old addage...
"if you can't beat them, join them.."

Too bad, because Eve has so much potential to be a game. It isn't now, but it could be with some creative game design.

The entire point of EVE is that YOU CAN. Yes, it will take a shitton of time and :effort: and who cares, but the possibility is THERE. Keep in mind that at the beginning of every 5000 man club was one person and their ideas.

If in, say, WoW, I wanted to create a new faction and wipe out both horde and alliance, it wouldn't be an effort taking years and thousands of people. It would be very simply impossible.

If people didn't love EVE, didn't care about it, there wouldn't be ANY posts on the forums.

and I never understood where ignorant fools like you got the idea that MMO meant players necessarily cooperated...

They could all be stabbing each other in the back, ignoring, or just watching each other... and often are.

Again (for the slow) ... there is nothing in the term MMO that requires or implies any cooperation among the players of an MMO. That characteristic of any MMO is completely voluntary and optional.

There is no end in Eve.

Nothing is "fluff".

You can do whatever you like in the game. That is the game. Stop complaining about the game. Just play it.

I like to play games that haven't had an upgrade for a really long time.
Chess?
I mean, you can be ungrateful if you want, I guess.

The point is that it hasn't been updated for a long time, not that it hasn't been updated.
Maybe I should have said Pong instead. But I don't play Pong.

In no less than 2 meetings today did I bring up the EVE-as-chess-evolved analogy, I think one particular way of looking at EVE in the history of games. This thread I will have to read again tomorrow!