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The official CCP retaliation and GS counter-retaliation thread
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Frying Doom
#41 - 2012-06-25 10:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Dave stark wrote:

considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....

If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they?

Edit: actually thinking about it, CCP is always looking for a good isk sink. If they just remove the 5 trillion isk that will probably help the economy in its own small way.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#42 - 2012-06-25 10:31:58 UTC
Forecast:

They will be keeping part of the gotten ISK. They get a temp ban which wont matter much since their alt accounts are still active.
As soon as the accounts that made the ISK are unbanned they go and wait for the next exploit to make ISK of.

CCP will make it look like they did an awesome job in handling it and a lot of Goon(alts) will be posting about how it's all working as intended.
A few people will ragequit, but since those are the "pubbies and spergs" and no Goons all is fine.


OR:

Small part of the ISK will get confiscated and part will be hauled over to alts. The characters in this affair get a permaban and the players behind them will buy new characters on the bazaar and still have a nice and hefty wallet result out of it.
CCP announces they permabanned the characters and comes out like heroes without upsetting the Goon players and thus they can have a cheerfull rejoice alliance wide.
Constable Chang
#43 - 2012-06-25 10:35:51 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Will CCP blink? Will GS unsub on mass?

Goonswarm and their fan base quitting in mass will be a slight hit on CCP's wallet, but the game as a whole will recover nicely and be stronger than ever. Of course half of what I said is my opinion. In all honesty though, CCP could take all the items and perma ban the entire squad of guys who were involved in it and not a single goon would quit over it. After all, this game is all they have.


Either you are being sarcastic or... you don't actually know anything about the Goons?
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#44 - 2012-06-25 10:36:15 UTC
I don't understand where they did something wrong.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Dave stark
#45 - 2012-06-25 10:37:59 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....

If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they?

well yes, because they got the sums wrong not because the system was broken.
Frying Doom
#46 - 2012-06-25 10:39:43 UTC
Constable Chang wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Will CCP blink? Will GS unsub on mass?

Goonswarm and their fan base quitting in mass will be a slight hit on CCP's wallet, but the game as a whole will recover nicely and be stronger than ever. Of course half of what I said is my opinion. In all honesty though, CCP could take all the items and perma ban the entire squad of guys who were involved in it and not a single goon would quit over it. After all, this game is all they have.


Either you are being sarcastic or... you don't actually know anything about the Goons?

Well at least your not on world of warships yet. But only because it isn't finished.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#47 - 2012-06-25 10:40:34 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....

If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they?

well yes, because they got the sums wrong not because the system was broken.

But if it was working as intended that would mean they didn't get there sums wrong wouldn't it?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dave stark
#48 - 2012-06-25 10:42:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....

If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they?

well yes, because they got the sums wrong not because the system was broken.

But if it was working as intended that would mean they didn't get there sums wrong wouldn't it?

the system was intended to give you lp for killing things in FW, you got LP for killing things in FW.
how is that broken?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#49 - 2012-06-25 10:43:47 UTC
lol at people trying to claim this wasn't an exploit. Goons themselves basically reported it as a bug/design flaw and knew it was something CCP would classify as an exploit, then they went ahead and made use of it anyway.
Frying Doom
#50 - 2012-06-25 10:44:41 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

considering the entire system worked exactly as it was designed to work....

If that were true they wouldn't have had to patch it or launch a security investigation now would they?

well yes, because they got the sums wrong not because the system was broken.

But if it was working as intended that would mean they didn't get there sums wrong wouldn't it?

the system was intended to give you lp for killing things in FW, you got LP for killing things in FW.
how is that broken?

As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dave stark
#51 - 2012-06-25 10:47:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?

yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly.
Frying Doom
#52 - 2012-06-25 10:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?

yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly.

If it was working properly it would not need patching.

If you need to know why it wasn't working properly read some of the 200+ pages on this topic. I and alot of other people have repeatedly said why it wasn't working properly, or just look at the patches or CCP Dev's comments on the matter.

Or for that matter just look at the post that started it all. He very clearly describes what is wrong and why it was reported to CCP as a bug.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dave stark
#53 - 2012-06-25 11:03:32 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?

yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly.

If it was working properly it would not need patching.

If you need to know why it wasn't working properly read some of the 200+ pages on this topic. I and alot of other people have repeatedly said why it wasn't working properly, or just look at the patches or CCP Dev's comments on the matter.

Or for that matter just look at the post that started it all. He very clearly describes what is wrong and why it was reported to CCP as a bug.


i'm not sure you grasp the subtle difference between the fact that the system was doing what it was supposed to do, however it was the magnitude that was the issue.

it's like a set of brakes on a car being very sharp. you touch them and the car stops; as intended. however if the sharp breaks cause the car to stop at such a rate the driver gets a cracked rib from the seatbelt as he's catapulted forward as the car stops there's clearly an issue.

the breaks are working as intended; they're stopping the car. however they're working too well as the car is stopping too fast.
just like the lp formula was handing out too much lp. the system was intended to give out lp, just not *that* much lp.

do you understand the subtle difference?

oh bugger it, ccp just need to hurry the hell up and decide one way or the other so we can all stop going around in circles. asteroid belts have respawned and now i have some thing better to do than go around in circles!
Frying Doom
#54 - 2012-06-25 11:08:36 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?

yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly.

If it was working properly it would not need patching.

If you need to know why it wasn't working properly read some of the 200+ pages on this topic. I and alot of other people have repeatedly said why it wasn't working properly, or just look at the patches or CCP Dev's comments on the matter.

Or for that matter just look at the post that started it all. He very clearly describes what is wrong and why it was reported to CCP as a bug.


i'm not sure you grasp the subtle difference between the fact that the system was doing what it was supposed to do, however it was the magnitude that was the issue.

it's like a set of brakes on a car being very sharp. you touch them and the car stops; as intended. however if the sharp breaks cause the car to stop at such a rate the driver gets a cracked rib from the seatbelt as he's catapulted forward as the car stops there's clearly an issue.

the breaks are working as intended; they're stopping the car. however they're working too well as the car is stopping too fast.
just like the lp formula was handing out too much lp. the system was intended to give out lp, just not *that* much lp.

do you understand the subtle difference?

oh bugger it, ccp just need to hurry the hell up and decide one way or the other so we can all stop going around in circles. asteroid belts have respawned and now i have some thing better to do than go around in circles!


I agree a ruling would be nice (but they will take their time) it would save me having to say

A bug is a bug is a bug. Exploiting a known bug is against the rules and should be handled accordingly.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dave stark
#55 - 2012-06-25 11:09:24 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
As I said above, if it was working properly it would not be exploitable and require a patch now would it?

yet you've still failed to say why it wasn't working properly.

If it was working properly it would not need patching.

If you need to know why it wasn't working properly read some of the 200+ pages on this topic. I and alot of other people have repeatedly said why it wasn't working properly, or just look at the patches or CCP Dev's comments on the matter.

Or for that matter just look at the post that started it all. He very clearly describes what is wrong and why it was reported to CCP as a bug.


i'm not sure you grasp the subtle difference between the fact that the system was doing what it was supposed to do, however it was the magnitude that was the issue.

it's like a set of brakes on a car being very sharp. you touch them and the car stops; as intended. however if the sharp breaks cause the car to stop at such a rate the driver gets a cracked rib from the seatbelt as he's catapulted forward as the car stops there's clearly an issue.

the breaks are working as intended; they're stopping the car. however they're working too well as the car is stopping too fast.
just like the lp formula was handing out too much lp. the system was intended to give out lp, just not *that* much lp.

do you understand the subtle difference?

oh bugger it, ccp just need to hurry the hell up and decide one way or the other so we can all stop going around in circles. asteroid belts have respawned and now i have some thing better to do than go around in circles!


I agree a ruling would be nice (but they will take their time) it would save me having to say

A bug is a bug is a bug. Exploiting a known bug is against the rules and should be handled accordingly.


a bug implies there's an unexpected result to an action.

shoot ship, get lp. expected result to an action. *shrug*
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#56 - 2012-06-25 11:16:22 UTC
I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention.
Frying Doom
#57 - 2012-06-25 11:19:57 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

a bug implies there's an unexpected result to an action.

shoot ship, get lp. expected result to an action. *shrug*

Shoot own goods in ship, get rewarded more than you loose, unexpected action.*shrug*

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#58 - 2012-06-25 11:20:36 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention.
I don't know son.

My father was a cop (god bless his bullet ridden soul) and if I went up and told him I was smoking dope he would demand some.

My mother also once made me help her out with a recipe for hash cookies - true story.
Frying Doom
#59 - 2012-06-25 11:21:34 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention.

Having seen this in RL with the stoner offering the cop a smoke. I must say the protests he made on getting arrested were as funny as hell.Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#60 - 2012-06-25 11:24:03 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I think the Goons should be banned just for being dumb enough to mock CCP over it, it's like smoking weed then going up to your parents or the cops and bragging about it, then getting mad when they did not appreciate your genius for avoiding their attention.
I don't know son.

My father was a cop (god bless his bullet ridden soul) and if I went up and told him I was smoking dope he would demand some.

My mother also once made me help her out with a recipe for hash cookies - true story.

What dirty back water do you live in Indonesia, Paraguay, The Sudan, The United States of America?
Where ever it is the police must not have much respect for the law.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!