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Drone Help, PLEASE!

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Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#41 - 2012-06-25 17:25:29 UTC
Aha, this might be a problem.

If you somehow do not have combat drone operation trained *at all*, then you may have found some sort of bug. Train it and see if it suddenly improves things.

Could be that not having it trained prevents, e.g. Drone Interfacing from taking effect. Which would be a bit of a perplexing bug. I had thought that Combat Drone Operation was a prerequisite for light combat drones, but apparently it is not.

Note that Combat Drone Operation's bonus is multiplicative with Drone Interfacing. So 20% more damage is nothing to sneeze at. Stilll, a full flight of 5 T1 hobgoblins with Drone Interfacing IV should be melting non-elite frigates. So a lack of its damage bonus alone is not the full problem here.

Also, just to check: you're not using any ship modules which improve drone speed (Drone Navigation Computer), are you? This can screw with their transversal to the point that they can't hit anything.

More sanity checking: use 'look at' on each of your drones to make sure that they're shooting your target. You may not be controlling them the way you think you're controlling them. Also show their brackets in space, they should be buzzing around your target.
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-06-25 17:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
Ryelek d'Entari wrote:
Aha, this might be a problem.

If you somehow do not have combat drone operation trained *at all*, then you may have found some sort of bug. Train it and see if it suddenly improves things.

Could be that not having it trained prevents, e.g. Drone Interfacing from taking effect. Which would be a bit of a perplexing bug. I had thought that Combat Drone Operation was a prerequisite for light combat drones, but apparently it is not.

Note that Combat Drone Operation's bonus is multiplicative with Drone Interfacing. So 20% more damage is nothing to sneeze at. Stilll, a full flight of 5 T1 hobgoblins with Drone Interfacing IV should be melting non-elite frigates. So a lack of its damage bonus alone is not the full problem here.

Also, just to check: you're not using any ship modules which improve drone speed (Drone Navigation Computer), are you? This can screw with their transversal to the point that they can't hit anything.

More sanity checking: use 'look at' on each of your drones to make sure that they're shooting your target. You may not be controlling them the way you think you're controlling them. Also show their brackets in space, they should be buzzing around your target.



You do get the drone interfacing damage bonus without having combat drone op... At least, the DPS changes in the fitting window.

I have a drone dmg improver mod on, but no drone speed mods.

Yes, I know my drones are firing correctly and I do know how to control them :)

Yeah, full fleet of T1 Hammerheads/Hobs aren't doing really any good at all even with Drone Interfacing 4. So who knows.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#43 - 2012-06-25 19:55:43 UTC
Well, a copy/paste combat log would be helpful, so we can see what's going on. Are they hitting for crap damage? Are they missing all the time? Etc.

My skills are similar to yours, though I do have combat drone interfacing IV. I've used T1 drones recently on a Vexor, and 5x hobgoblin I's just melt frigates in seconds. Although the Vexor is a drone bonused boat, my gall cruiser skill was only III, so 30% shouldn't make that much of a difference. Also these are serpentis rats, which are weak against thermal.

Is this something that you've just tried today for the first time, after the 1.1 patch? Could be something's screwed up, but if so there would certainly be more hubbub about it, I'd think.
Flakey Foont
#44 - 2012-06-25 20:43:05 UTC
Using omnis?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-06-25 21:27:59 UTC
Ryelek d'Entari wrote:
Well, a copy/paste combat log would be helpful, so we can see what's going on. Are they hitting for crap damage? Are they missing all the time? Etc.

My skills are similar to yours, though I do have combat drone interfacing IV. I've used T1 drones recently on a Vexor, and 5x hobgoblin I's just melt frigates in seconds. Although the Vexor is a drone bonused boat, my gall cruiser skill was only III, so 30% shouldn't make that much of a difference. Also these are serpentis rats, which are weak against thermal.

Is this something that you've just tried today for the first time, after the 1.1 patch? Could be something's screwed up, but if so there would certainly be more hubbub about it, I'd think.


Thread started yesterday, so can't be a 1.1 bug.

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Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#46 - 2012-06-25 21:34:52 UTC
This is true.

Side possibility - since he's fighting blood raiders, could be that the drones are getting TD'd. Would combat log show that effect on drones?

If so, the way to fix that is to get ship aggro, not drone aggro.
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-06-25 22:05:32 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
Ryelek d'Entari wrote:
Aha, this might be a problem.

If you somehow do not have combat drone operation trained *at all*, then you may have found some sort of bug. Train it and see if it suddenly improves things.

Could be that not having it trained prevents, e.g. Drone Interfacing from taking effect. Which would be a bit of a perplexing bug. I had thought that Combat Drone Operation was a prerequisite for light combat drones, but apparently it is not.

Note that Combat Drone Operation's bonus is multiplicative with Drone Interfacing. So 20% more damage is nothing to sneeze at. Stilll, a full flight of 5 T1 hobgoblins with Drone Interfacing IV should be melting non-elite frigates. So a lack of its damage bonus alone is not the full problem here.

Also, just to check: you're not using any ship modules which improve drone speed (Drone Navigation Computer), are you? This can screw with their transversal to the point that they can't hit anything.

More sanity checking: use 'look at' on each of your drones to make sure that they're shooting your target. You may not be controlling them the way you think you're controlling them. Also show their brackets in space, they should be buzzing around your target.



You do get the drone interfacing damage bonus without having combat drone op... At least, the DPS changes in the fitting window.

I have a drone dmg improver mod on, but no drone speed mods.

Yes, I know my drones are firing correctly and I do know how to control them :)

Yeah, full fleet of T1 Hammerheads/Hobs aren't doing really any good at all even with Drone Interfacing 4. So who knows.


What is your DPS in your fitting window with T1 hammerheads?
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-06-25 22:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
With T1 hammerheads on a 'Thron Navy Issue I'm sitting right at 100DPS. That's with Drone Interfacing 4 Combat Drone Op at 3 and 1 Drone Dmg Mod.

As per missing or just hitting low, it's really a mix of both. Next combat log I'll post.

Fitting... really straightforward.

Highs: 7 large rails 1 Cloak
Mids: Web/Tracking speed enhancer/ 2 cap rechargers
Lows: drone dmg imrpovement, 2 magnetic field stabalizers for DPS, adaptive hardener, dmg control mod, armor repairer

Like I said, fairly straightforward on the fit.

Edit - That 100 DPS is with drones only, didn't factor in turret or total DPS.

Edit 2: When I take the Drone Dmg Amplifier off, DPS goes down to 84.
Flakey Foont
#49 - 2012-06-26 01:48:20 UTC
Try at least one omni..
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-06-26 02:20:53 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
With T1 hammerheads on a 'Thron Navy Issue I'm sitting right at 100DPS. That's with Drone Interfacing 4 Combat Drone Op at 3 and 1 Drone Dmg Mod.

As per missing or just hitting low, it's really a mix of both. Next combat log I'll post.

Fitting... really straightforward.

Highs: 7 large rails 1 Cloak
Mids: Web/Tracking speed enhancer/ 2 cap rechargers
Lows: drone dmg imrpovement, 2 magnetic field stabalizers for DPS, adaptive hardener, dmg control mod, armor repairer

Like I said, fairly straightforward on the fit.

Edit - That 100 DPS is with drones only, didn't factor in turret or total DPS.

Edit 2: When I take the Drone Dmg Amplifier off, DPS goes down to 84.


That sounds about right. Now when you go into combat I assume that you get the target to agro your ship first. Then you send your drones to attack. Now when your drones attack they do how much damage per hit? Your in game message window shows how much damage per drone hit? On average?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#51 - 2012-06-26 07:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.

What rigs?
Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense.
Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before.
Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should.
Try using a target painter instead of a web.

Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?

Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out.

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-06-26 08:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.

What rigs?
Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense.
Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before.
Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should.
Try using a target painter instead of a web.

Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?

Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out.



Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read.

I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read.

My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions about am I using 3/2 or if I target my rats properly. If I know how to use my drones, then obviously those things are being done correctly.

If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post.

Close the thread.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-06-26 08:28:30 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.

What rigs?
Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense.
Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before.
Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should.
Try using a target painter instead of a web.

Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?

Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out.



Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read.

I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read.

My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions (or, accusations).

If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post.

Close the thread.


He does have a small point.

If you would link your EVEBoard, fit and combat logs people would have more info. More info means it's easier to see where stuff goes wrong.

But from my looks you just reject everybody that is trying to help and reply with the same post over and over again. So wish you the best of luck. specially in those level 5's you want to get access too when you are already having trouble with level 3's.

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-06-26 08:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
Yep, that's why I said close the thread.

I got some useful info, and was very polite to those who offered it. Not so much to those who asked the same things over and over or accused me making n00b mistakes I already clarified.

Thanks for those who gave useful info :), I wont be checking the thread any longer.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#55 - 2012-06-26 09:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Jecht Windu wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I really, really want to see a log here. All this conversation only exposes questions instead of answering them.

What rigs?
Where is combat log? If the OP is having trouble breaking the tank of elite units, that would make sense.
Where is Skills? 85% of the skills means you are probably lacking the most important 15%. Show us your char as asked before.
Technique. You could think you're doing the right thing and not be. If there are 10 rats, and you targeted 3 of them, and only one has the drones icon. That doesn't necessarily mean your drones are focusing fire like they should.
Try using a target painter instead of a web.

Are we using mixed flights? 2 hammer heads and 3 warriors, 1 Ogre, 2 hammerheads and a hobgoblin?

Anyway, we really need more input than the op is providing. Garbage in, garbage out.



Yeah, most of those questions have been answered somewhere in this thread. Learn2read.

I will not waste my time reiterating things that have been mentioned before, again... Learn2read.

My saying 'I know how to use my drones' 3x in this thread answers literally half of your questions about am I using 3/2 or if I target my rats properly. If I know how to use my drones, then obviously those things are being done correctly.

If you're going to keep saying I'm the issue, then just quit replying. Simple as that. Either be helpful, or get bent, you obviously have no life if all you can do is spend time saying what someone is doing wrong on a help post.

Close the thread.


Nice. I see politeness isn't your specialty. I read your answers, ergo, the reason I asked the questions I asked. Because your answers sounded more like a flippant child's "I know what I'm doing." that makes me suspect you don't know what you are doing. Saying you know what to do doesn't mean you do. Ergo, if you showed a log, we could say, "Yes, he knows what he is doing." And not take your word for it, when obviously you are doing something wrong, which you wouldn't be if you knew what you were doing.

(inhale)

And the whole point of a help post if to tell people what they are doing wrong.

I'm still trying to figure out what you're doing level 3s for in a navy megathron. That doesn't indicate you know what you are doing.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#56 - 2012-06-26 13:57:25 UTC
Some elite frigates are notoriously hard especially the ones in null, because they have a ridiculously low signature.
Anyway max damage according to EFT for 5x hobo II is 100dps and 80dps for warrior II with max skilled domi you get 50dps more damage (so 1/3 more for hobgoblin II's because of the way skills add up).

Drone interfacing V and scout drone operation V are pretty much essential skills to have if you plan on using drones.

Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#57 - 2012-06-26 15:24:18 UTC
This thread was full of win. Thanks for that!

OP: Not that you asked, but a bit of advice: when your ship is about to blow up, you need to make sure you're aligned to somewhere and spam the warp button. Would probably save you a pod or two.

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Gitanmaxx
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-06-27 02:43:49 UTC
Walter JustWalter wrote:
Blood Raider lowest resist is EM (Acolyte drones). The ship you mentioned is http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11040

Is there an Incursion going on in your area right now that might be de-buffing your damage?


This happened to me the other day. My myrmidon usually busts through level 3s no problem at all. But last week the incursion near amarr had me unable to complete the same missions and one mission took hours because my drones couldn't break the npc tanks. I was using t2 drones so doing more than 3 damage....but not much more.
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#59 - 2012-06-27 03:17:42 UTC
I cleaned the thread up a little bit please be civil and keep comments constructive.

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