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Drone Help, PLEASE!

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-06-25 08:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Pew
I recall seeing mention of drone nav becoming a hassle when you train it too high because the faster your drone fly, the more likely they'll miss their targets. If anyone can confirm... I didn't train it beyond 3 for now as I got better stuff to train than drones at the moment.
Also, have you tried a target painter instead of a web? slowing the target is one thing, making it easier to hit, another.
And yes, T1 drones do laughable damage, but even with my meager drones skills, I never faced the problem in L3 missions, only frigates they couldn't break the tank of, were "dire" gurista or "loyal" sansha wich have very tough resists.

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-06-25 17:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...

They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with light, medium, and heavy drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.

So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.


Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...

It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out.
Flakey Foont
#23 - 2012-06-25 17:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
Something is off. Can you post your Eveboard or at least your drone skills?

"Combat drone operation" for example. This may be the missing piece.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-25 17:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Jecht Windu wrote:
Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...

They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.

So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.


Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...

It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out.


And this attitude means you won't get help.

Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain.

I run missions with my alt who has only the bare basic drone skills yet his T1 drones can kill rats in level 4's. So stop complaining, start listening.

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-25 17:05:49 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Jecht Windu wrote:
Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...

They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.

So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.


Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...

It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out.


And this attitude means you won't get help.

Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain.


Then don't help. It's EVE, don't expect people to be Carebear.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-25 17:09:15 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Jecht Windu wrote:
Just an update. As we speak right now I am using Hammerheads and Hobgoblins on Corpii cruiser size ships...

They are doing nothing, they can't kill even 1. At the 20min mark, they cant break its shield it just regens. I have tried with BOTH types of drones, with WEBBING AND NOT WEBBING the target,... All combos tried. I'm not an idiot guys.

So all of you who posted saying it had to do with not using Gallente against EM/Therm weak ships, that's obviously not the issue.


Getting really mad and guess I'm quittng EVE. You all gave good advice but none of it worked, the ONLY thing I haven't tried is getting t2 drones. But most of you have said t1 drones works fine in l3...

It really bothers me that NO ONE can figure this out.


And this attitude means you won't get help.

Done with pathetic attitude. Stop asking for help if you only complain.


Then don't help. It's EVE, don't expect people to be Carebear.


Mission running = Carebearing

Like said:

I run missions with my alt who has only the bare basic drone skills yet his T1 drones can kill rats in level 4's. So stop complaining, start listening.

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-06-25 17:10:08 UTC
Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#28 - 2012-06-25 17:11:10 UTC
(a) import your character into eveboard so we can have a look.
(b) post a copy/paste of your combat log after one of these epic 20 minute frigate vs. drone fights. You can find this in the neocom.
(c) post your fit.


Then maybe we can help you. You're clearly doing something wrong, but we're not clairvoyant.
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-06-25 17:12:20 UTC
Ryelek d'Entari wrote:
(a) import your character into eveboard so we can have a look.
(b) post a copy/paste of your combat log after one of these epic 20 minute frigate vs. drone fights. You can find this in the neocom.
(c) post your fit.


Then maybe we can help you. You're clearly doing something wrong, but we're not clairvoyant.


Will look into Eveboard and try to get an update for you guys.

For whoever asked about Drone skills.

Drones lvl 5.
Scout Drone Op lvl 4 (almost 5)
Heavy drones lvl 3
Drone Nav lvl 3
Drone Interfacting lvl 4
Drone Durability lvl 3
Drone Sharpshooting lvl 3
Flakey Foont
#30 - 2012-06-25 17:12:56 UTC
You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.


Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-25 17:14:12 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.


Same idea. Ratting = Carebearing.

And really, if your drones can't kill a cruiser sized rat. Then your skills must suck big time or you're using the wrong damage type (or both).

T2 Drones + GOOD support skills (see below) and you should have NO problem.


Support skills:

Combat Drones specialization at 5
Drone Durability 4
Drone Interfacing 4
Drone Navigateion 4
Dront sharpshooting 4
Drones 5
Scout Drone Operation 5
Heavy Drone operation 4 (or 5)

And then Racial Drone spec. at 4

After you have those and you still don't hit stuff. Then start complaining.

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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-25 17:15:43 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.


Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level.


This, maybe next time read the info of skills and you will find out that there is your lack in DPS

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-25 17:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
J'Poll wrote:
Jecht Windu wrote:
Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.


Same idea. Ratting = Carebearing.

And really, if your drones can't kill a cruiser sized rat. Then your skills must suck big time or you're using the wrong damage type (or both).

T2 Drones + GOOD support skills (see below) and you should have NO problem.


Support skills:

Combat Drones specialization at 5
Drone Durability 4
Drone Interfacing 4
Drone Navigateion 4
Dront sharpshooting 4
Drones 5
Scout Drone Operation 5
Heavy Drone operation 4 (or 5)

And then Racial Drone spec. at 4

After you have those and you still don't hit stuff. Then start complaining.



Did you look above? I have 85% of those skills :)
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-25 17:18:11 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Flakey Foont wrote:
You need to train "Combat Drone Operation". Now.


Skill at controlling scout drones. 5% Bonus to drone damage of light and medium drones per level.


This, maybe next time read the info of skills and you will find out that there is your lack in DPS


5% per level? I mean, no offense but 20% isn't really gonna change much, whereas my Drone Interfacing has already upped it by 80%.

But sure, I'll train that one now.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-06-25 17:18:47 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Jecht Windu wrote:
Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.


Same idea. Ratting = Carebearing.

And really, if your drones can't kill a cruiser sized rat. Then your skills must suck big time or you're using the wrong damage type (or both).

T2 Drones + GOOD support skills (see below) and you should have NO problem.


Support skills:

Combat Drones specialization at 5
Drone Durability 4
Drone Interfacing 4
Drone Navigateion 4
Dront sharpshooting 4
Drones 5
Scout Drone Operation 5
Heavy Drone operation 4 (or 5)

And then Racial Drone spec. at 4

After you have those and you still don't hit stuff. Then start complaining.



Did you look above? I have 85% of those skills :)


Only see 3 skills that match my list. 3/8 isn't 85%

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-25 17:19:52 UTC
Martin0 wrote:
Jecht Windu wrote:

I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.


They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.


noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage.
You should use gallente dronesBig smile


Martin0 read the entire front page.

Multiple people already told him he was using wrong damage types.

And wrong drones (swap the mediums for the large ones)

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-06-25 17:21:22 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
Haha, I live in Null Jpoll. I just want to build up some lvl 5 agents.


Your null-sec space: Angels not Corpii

And you want level 5 agents, yet you already struggle in level 3's.
I can imagine how good that is going to work

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Jecht Windu
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Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-06-25 17:21:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
Yeah Martin already tried that.

J I can tell we don't see eye to eye but I have 85% of those skills, they may just be 1 or 2 levels lower than what you mentioned.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-06-25 17:23:36 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
Yeah Martin already tried that.

J I can tell we don't see eye to eye but I have 85% of those skills, they may just be 1 level lower than what you mentioned.


That one level is a lot of difference when you add the skills up.

And as said a couple of times before, you miss the most vital one.

Combat Drones add 5% to damage. At level 4 it's 20% and that 20% might be enough to break the rat's tank.

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-25 17:24:14 UTC
Yeah I just injected it, we'll see how it goes.
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