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Inferno Widow fit?
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KhitSicker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-24 15:01:36 UTC
Does anyone have suggestions for a fleet widow post inferno. Will be used to bridge in bombers and other cov ops ships and then support in the fight and ultimately bridge out.

I plan to armor fit,
Am torn between:
crusies or torps,
6 multi specs or rainbow jammers,
target breaker or ecm burst,

Also what are the best mods to faction bling and what is acceptable at t2?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-06-24 15:21:53 UTC
For ecm, don't fit multispectual, fit rainbow, minus gallante, heavy on winmatar. Weapons doesn't matter, but make it cruise if you have to fit something. Never get in torp range. Neither target breaker (nerfed by design) or ecm burst is much use, or worth the slot.

In any case, it'll probably die in fire due to the "omg expensive boat KILL IT!" syndrome.
KhitSicker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-24 15:28:15 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
For ecm, don't fit multispectual, fit rainbow, minus gallante, heavy on winmatar. Weapons doesn't matter, but make it cruise if you have to fit something. Never get in torp range. Neither target breaker (nerfed by design) or ecm burst is much use, or worth the slot.

In any case, it'll probably die in fire due to the "omg expensive boat KILL IT!" syndrome.


damn i was hoping for an oh **** button for a small engagement (<6) ships maybe. From the target breakers description it seems like it should work better the more ships target you? is that not the case.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-24 15:36:22 UTC
KhitSicker wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
For ecm, don't fit multispectual, fit rainbow, minus gallante, heavy on winmatar. Weapons doesn't matter, but make it cruise if you have to fit something. Never get in torp range. Neither target breaker (nerfed by design) or ecm burst is much use, or worth the slot.

In any case, it'll probably die in fire due to the "omg expensive boat KILL IT!" syndrome.


damn i was hoping for an oh **** button for a small engagement (<6) ships maybe. From the target breakers description it seems like it should work better the more ships target you? is that not the case.


Target breaker is absolutely worthless against 6 ships. In the description, they meant hundreds of ships, not 6. Blob warfare.Straight
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#5 - 2012-06-24 18:36:34 UTC
Unless you're going to be doing lots of BLOPS only drops with good FC's and scouts. Never ever drop a BLOP into a hot grid. Let your arazu and bomber buddies deal with it. Bridge a falcon through if you want ECM.


As for fittings,
Highs - Fit a cloak and the portal generator in the highs. Maybe some RR for fixing people up post fight. Thats about it maybe a neut for if you manage to get tackled by a frig and you have time to neut him out and warp before friends come. If you have cyno 5 load a covert cyno on board.
Mids - all cap rechargers. Maybe a prop mod. You will need to recharge your cap quickly so you can bridge your people out in a timely manner.
Lows - Cargo Expanders... If you can't hold enough fuel for your gang to get through you're going to have a bad time.
Rigs - Cargo Expander Rigs. Moar fuel is always good.

If you want to be in on the fight, do it on an alt. Once the bridge is up and everyone is through, toss your alt through and cloak up the BLOP. You can bridge it to your covert cyno later at a safe and get people out later.

Good luck. :)
Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-25 08:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Shang Fei
Sadly the widow is kinda **** for things other then gank, the blop skill take ages to get to 5, and you will still be jamming exactly as much as a falcon, with a lower scanres and provide about the same DPS as a bomber.

Being in a Black Ops oriented alliance we've had ALOT of discussions of the widows usefullness and due to it's subpar EHP and utility you'd be better of just hopping into a falcon if you wanna jam and buy a bomber for a buddy of yours.

Widow is nice for making sexy killmails and for solo. Not much else I'm afraid.

If you wanna roll with an armor Black Ops, get something usefull like a Redeemer, the advantages are numerous, utility midslots for capboosters MWD tracking comps ECCM SeBo's, whatever you need. And you've got the advantage of being a natural armor tanker with high DPS and the most important thing. Your DPS won't be delayed by about 5-20seconds it takes for your missiles to fly over to him.

However if they'd give some sort of a resist bonus instead of the stupid jamming bonus and make the widow much like the rest of the Black Ops they'd be alot more valuable.

Hope this helped

Shang
Anah Karah
Frozen LLC
No Visual.
#7 - 2012-06-25 09:14:57 UTC
i love this DONT EVER JUMP YOUR BLACK OPS INTO A FIGHT stance people take. Try it sometime there's a decent rush to be had. Ecm is an iwin button with enough of it but make sure you fit a tank. i havn't looked but i bet an ancil shield booster + resists could take your fancy.

On the other hand you could bridge 50 bombers through then jump with a full rack of smarties, AWOX your whole fleet and then jump out to your alts cyno before anybody can work out what happened (cap boosters+MWD = instant jump cap)
Whoremails ftw :)
Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-25 10:48:38 UTC
Anah Karah wrote:
i love this DONT EVER JUMP YOUR BLACK OPS INTO A FIGHT stance people take. Try it sometime there's a decent rush to be had. Ecm is an iwin button with enough of it but make sure you fit a tank. i havn't looked but i bet an ancil shield booster + resists could take your fancy.

On the other hand you could bridge 50 bombers through then jump with a full rack of smarties, AWOX your whole fleet and then jump out to your alts cyno before anybody can work out what happened (cap boosters+MWD = instant jump cap)
Whoremails ftw :)


The problem with jumping a widow into a fight is due to the nature of the widow, you get a mix of a bomber and a falcon for the price of 5 of each ship, your EFT is low, you're hard to keep up with the very limited logistics you will be rolling with in a black ops fight. There are other ships, namely the redeemer and the panther who're much more viable for this role.
I use my own deemer quite often and it's an excellent ship, yet the widow is MUCH more limited in its viability, it lies mostly in the nature and bonuses in the ship, it's got a flawed design to be utilised for gang warfare.

Still Black Ops ships where designed to be specialist vessels, and the widow is an excellent ship for dropping to gank a solo ratter or something small like a cane or a drake. It will eat those ships for lunch 1 on 1.



Shang
Evanga
Ain't Misbehaving
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-06-25 11:13:25 UTC
armor fit is best for widow, fit specific hardeners and few multies. Maybe 2 winmater as stated above.

Dropping a blops in battle can be done, but make sure to do it with other blops like redeemers and use your brains :)