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level 4s vs exploration?
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Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-24 09:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Smokeyblood
Which one is actually more profitable, I do some low sec, mostly high sec, in a vexor working towards affording an ishtar but I just recently started and I am not sure if its worth it. I can fly a domi in 4's and I find them fairly boring but they are easy.

Honestly just looking to fun decent PvP abilities and maybe a plex, 1-2b a month is the goal.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-24 09:38:36 UTC
Level 4: reliable steady income
Exploration: lottery. one day you'll hit a multibillion jackpot, other times you'll go days without a decent drop.

Imo, exploration is more fun, though :)
Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-24 09:47:40 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Level 4: reliable steady income
Exploration: lottery. one day you'll hit a multibillion jackpot, other times you'll go days without a decent drop.

Imo, exploration is more fun, though :)


I have zero issues playing a lottery, I just want to make sure it is going to pay more than level fours on average over the course of a month.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#4 - 2012-06-24 09:52:46 UTC
Random is random.
Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-24 09:56:06 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Random is random.


Yes but what I am asking is, on general if you get somewhat lucky will it pay more (high sec) than just running missions instead.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2012-06-24 09:59:47 UTC
rng is r

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#7 - 2012-06-24 10:00:44 UTC
Exploration limited exclusively to hisec will not pay more than level 4 missions. You will find a variety of sites, and some of them will pay very nicely indeed. The best money will come from escalations which end up taking you to low sec to complete a combat site.

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Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-24 10:27:24 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Exploration limited exclusively to hisec will not pay more than level 4 missions. You will find a variety of sites, and some of them will pay very nicely indeed. The best money will come from escalations which end up taking you to low sec to complete a combat site.


Ugh that is depressing, I haven't had any luck at all finding a good set of systems that work for low so it has mostly been high. So I take it switch back to the domi and 4's basically?
Suqq Madiq
#9 - 2012-06-24 12:14:37 UTC
Smokeyblood wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Exploration limited exclusively to hisec will not pay more than level 4 missions. You will find a variety of sites, and some of them will pay very nicely indeed. The best money will come from escalations which end up taking you to low sec to complete a combat site.


Ugh that is depressing, I haven't had any luck at all finding a good set of systems that work for low so it has mostly been high. So I take it switch back to the domi and 4's basically?


If you aren't willing to put the :effort: into finding 3/10, 4/10 or 5/10 DED sites in High and Lowsec than, yes, you should switch to your Domi as you will never outpace the ISK you earn in L4 missions.

If, however, you are willing to train for an appropriate ship and do the legwork of hunting High and Low for DED sites than it is more than likely you will become fabulously space rich in a relatively short period of time.
Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-24 12:19:29 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Smokeyblood wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Exploration limited exclusively to hisec will not pay more than level 4 missions. You will find a variety of sites, and some of them will pay very nicely indeed. The best money will come from escalations which end up taking you to low sec to complete a combat site.


Ugh that is depressing, I haven't had any luck at all finding a good set of systems that work for low so it has mostly been high. So I take it switch back to the domi and 4's basically?


If you aren't willing to put the :effort: into finding 3/10, 4/10 or 5/10 DED sites in High and Lowsec than, yes, you should switch to your Domi as you will never outpace the ISK you earn in L4 missions.

If, however, you are willing to train for an appropriate ship and do the legwork of hunting High and Low for DED sites than it is more than likely you will become fabulously space rich in a relatively short period of time.


I am willing to put in the time I just wasn't sure if it would pay out which was the point of the thread. I can fly an ishtar but can't afford it right now though :S
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2012-06-24 12:52:40 UTC
Look at it this way: Today (3 hours ago) I found a deadspace EANM in a 4/10 DED plex which I hauled to Jita and sold for 472mil. The site that it dropped from took me almost 15 minutes to run.

15 minutes for 472mil.

Having said that, I've gone for days without finding anything as well.
Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-24 13:00:11 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Look at it this way: Today (3 hours ago) I found a deadspace EANM in a 4/10 DED plex which I hauled to Jita and sold for 472mil. The site that it dropped from took me almost 15 minutes to run.

15 minutes for 472mil.

Having said that, I've gone for days without finding anything as well.


Are you exploring in low or high?
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#13 - 2012-06-24 13:41:15 UTC
It was in a 0.7 system, but I mostly do low sec
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-24 18:29:36 UTC
why not do both?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-24 18:40:35 UTC
Smokeyblood wrote:
I am willing to put in the time I just wasn't sure if it would pay out which was the point of the thread. I can fly an ishtar but can't afford it right now though :S


If you go into exploration with the first question being "will it pay out" you are likely to be dissapointed.
Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-25 00:19:38 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Smokeyblood wrote:
I am willing to put in the time I just wasn't sure if it would pay out which was the point of the thread. I can fly an ishtar but can't afford it right now though :S


If you go into exploration with the first question being "will it pay out" you are likely to be dissapointed.


Why would I not go into it with that question, the entire purpose is to make isk to fund pvp.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2012-06-25 00:45:30 UTC
Smokeyblood wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
If you go into exploration with the first question being "will it pay out" you are likely to be dissapointed.


Why would I not go into it with that question, the entire purpose is to make isk to fund pvp.


If you want to reliably fund anything then exploration may not be the best staple activity for you. There are some very dry streaks occasionally offset with gold mines.

Or to put it another way: exploration doesn't make a great means to an end. If you're not interested in making it an end in itself (at least one among a few) then run missions.
Smokeyblood
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-25 00:47:47 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Smokeyblood wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
If you go into exploration with the first question being "will it pay out" you are likely to be dissapointed.


Why would I not go into it with that question, the entire purpose is to make isk to fund pvp.


If you want to reliably fund anything then exploration may not be the best staple activity for you. There are some very dry streaks occasionally offset with gold mines.

Or to put it another way: exploration doesn't make a great means to an end. If you're not interested in making it an end in itself (at least one among a few) then run missions.


Yea, I see what you are saying. My end is to PvP and PLEX an account, everything else is a means to that end.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2012-06-25 00:52:03 UTC
Smokeyblood wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Smokeyblood wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
If you go into exploration with the first question being "will it pay out" you are likely to be dissapointed.


Why would I not go into it with that question, the entire purpose is to make isk to fund pvp.


If you want to reliably fund anything then exploration may not be the best staple activity for you. There are some very dry streaks occasionally offset with gold mines.

Or to put it another way: exploration doesn't make a great means to an end. If you're not interested in making it an end in itself (at least one among a few) then run missions.


Yea, I see what you are saying. My end is to PvP and PLEX an account, everything else is a means to that end.


Most efficient way to do that is work a few hours of OT a week and sell plex to fund PvP

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Flakey Foont
#20 - 2012-06-25 01:43:17 UTC
If you are constantly grinding to pay the bills, it just becomes work. I guess I am lucky in that by doing the things I like to do, I most times have enough to pay my main account.
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