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20 Bil ISK Bond / Loan - 20% - SCRAPPED.

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Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#1 - 2012-06-23 23:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulinks
Scrapped this project.


Simple details -
Been in the game a while now, got some good connections & friends but not alot of ISK between us.
Looking to set up Super Capital Construction business in secure (undisclosed) nullsec.

Investment is for -
1 Large POS and fuels (including fittings and modules)
Blueprints
Minerals for 2 supercarriers

With our time devotion and skills, we expect to be able to make these as cheaply as humanly possible with little loss risk due to whos space it is and available transport & routes.

Bond amounts should be of 500mil MINIMUM. I am not interested in hearing people who dont want to invest, time wasters or trolls. This investment is at your own risk but will pay off very nicely. We have calculated loan repayment and interest can be achieved within 1 cooking cycle.

Time allowance will be cooking time for a supercarrier. After 2Bil is reached, we will have the POS standing by for the rest of the Bond to be fullfilled. We do not want to waste our or your time.

Thank you, to all future investors of the SAS.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-23 23:25:48 UTC
no one is going to invest into your bullshit
Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#3 - 2012-06-23 23:29:26 UTC
As i said, i am not interested in sceptical, or non-interested personel or trolls.
If you dont want to take the risk, just hit the back button in the top left corner.
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#4 - 2012-06-24 01:30:45 UTC
It is unlikely that you will be able to find participants for an investment of this size with a) no history, b) a vague plan, and c) a rather sharp attitude. An audit would be particularly helpful in this situation as it could be confirmed that you and your compatriots (are they in another corporation?) have the necessary skills to operate the stations and oversee capital ship production which would go a certain distance insofar as reassuring possible investors. You might even consider elaborating on the calculations that you have performed to reach the conclusion that your production will allow for sufficient profits to be made to repay the principal and interest after one "cooking cycle" (a length of time you should probably be more specific about).

I would also add that while nobody likes trolls legitimate criticism (of the constructive variety hopefully) should be expected and an unwillingness to entertain gives the impression that one may fear a scam being uncovered. The best of luck in your endeavor.
Litair
Nleesh
#5 - 2012-06-24 01:53:14 UTC
David Forge wrote:
It is unlikely that you will be able to find participants for an investment of this size with a) no history, b) a vague plan, and c) a rather sharp attitude. An audit would be particularly helpful in this situation as it could be confirmed that you and your compatriots (are they in another corporation?) have the necessary skills to operate the stations and oversee capital ship production which would go a certain distance insofar as reassuring possible investors. You might even consider elaborating on the calculations that you have performed to reach the conclusion that your production will allow for sufficient profits to be made to repay the principal and interest after one "cooking cycle" (a length of time you should probably be more specific about).

I would also add that while nobody likes trolls legitimate criticism (of the constructive variety hopefully) should be expected and an unwillingness to entertain gives the impression that one may fear a scam being uncovered. The best of luck in your endeavor.


David knows his stuff on this field, so might be worth listening to.. I'm not an expert myself, but I know this is one of the last bonds I'd consider because not only is it very high cost, it's very little info as well. That's generally not a good combination.
And don't be like that - you want friends, not enemies in this business adventure. Being badass is usually something to practice when you aren't asking others for help.
cigarellos
#6 - 2012-06-24 05:46:36 UTC
Soulinks wrote:
As i said, i am not interested in sceptical, or non-interested personel or trolls.
If you dont want to take the risk, just hit the back button in the top left corner.


Lose the cigarette and perhaps dress up like a fairy and try again.
Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-24 06:06:56 UTC
seems legit
flakeys
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-24 06:45:11 UTC
Why did you even post this here with such an attitude and such a lousy offer ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Estel Again
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-06-24 10:20:19 UTC
Sounds good.
Let me know what you'll provide as collateral and I'll provide the full amount.
Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#10 - 2012-06-24 10:36:15 UTC
Thank you David for your advice. As i think it is clear, i have not done this before and i have only come to here to ask for this money as a last measure.
With that said, lets clear some things up for everyone.

1) Yes, i have not asked for a loan / bond scheme before, but i do knoe the jist of how they work.

2) Some more details. Ok so clearly people are paying attention to this, which is great, and you will notice I am the only one in corp thus far. My business partners will be joining and we will be accepted into said alliance when we can front what business we said we'd like to do.

Ok so in regards with how we plan to make things work:
We have liquidated and had minerals laying around for some time. We need ALOT more to make a supercarrier though.
What we have decided is the best course is to buy what we can as the bonds sell. So for example, the Blueprints needed firstly.
If we do this, we can get things set up and ready to produce the 1st supercarrier before the bond / loan is even fullfilled.

So with that said, the max loan time i would like to put on it will be 21 days from when the this request is filled.

As for calculations, all i can tell you is that i have spent the last 2 days writing up a calculation spreadsheet telling us how much each ship will cost to make. This comprimises of the lowest mineral prices available from around Eve that we can transport.

3) I would love to spill the whole can of beans, but with this kind of operation, i cannot risk any aggression nor would like anyone to mimic our ideas, spots or take our buy points.

As for collateral, i cannot provide any. I could say my character but then that would leave me in the sticks for future game play ;)

As i understand and recognise, this is a risky business and have had people tell me alot of scams are common on this.

I will consider going down to 12bil for just the 1 ship but cannot go much lower than that, to get into this business.
Estel Again
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-24 10:59:55 UTC
You have no idea what you're getting into.

- You want only 20B to start producing supercaps from scratch;
- You don't have any blueprints yet;
- You don't have a mineral supply, and use the "lowest mineral prices available from around EVE" for your calculations;
- You plan on producing from unresearched blueprints;
- You want to pay back 20B in 21 days.
Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#12 - 2012-06-24 11:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulinks
Estel Again wrote:
You have no idea what you're getting into.

- You want only 20B to start producing supercaps from scratch;
- You don't have any blueprints yet;
- You don't have a mineral supply, and use the "lowest mineral prices available from around EVE" for your calculations;
- You plan on producing from unresearched blueprints;
- You want to pay back 20B in 21 days.


-I did want more but everyone thought me mad.
-We have the parts Blueprints, just not the supercarrier ones.
-We have set up buy spots from solar systems that have corps selling minerals for some of the lowest prices. And we are mining the hard to get ones. As i originally stated, I have good connections.
-We dont plan on producing from unresearched. We have proper ME 55 and PE 25 researched blueprints.
-Yes, 21 days from then the request is FULLFILLED. We can have 1 supercarrier in the making before that happens, unless someone fronts the whole lot in 1 go. Then ofcourse it will be 2 weeks longer.

Hope this helps to clarify your worries.

Additonally - While the 2nd is cooking, we will be mining around the clock to become more cheaper and gain better profits.
Estel Again
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-24 11:21:07 UTC
It took you 4 posts to mention the minor detail that you already have the researched component blueprints?!

How many do you have?
Can't they serve as collateral?*



*Hint: the answer is 'Yes, they can'. The real question is: do you want them to? Do you want the keep control of your BPOs, or do you want funding?
Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#14 - 2012-06-24 11:49:13 UTC
Estel Again wrote:
It took you 4 posts to mention the minor detail that you already have the researched component blueprints?!

How many do you have?
Can't they serve as collateral?*



*Hint: the answer is 'Yes, they can'. The real question is: do you want them to? Do you want the keep control of your BPOs, or do you want funding?



They are only BPCs which i am buying off someone who has the originals. The BPCs can act as collateral though.
Estel Again
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-24 12:15:03 UTC
Crap, looks like I fell for a troll.
Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#16 - 2012-06-24 13:19:01 UTC
Estel Again wrote:
Crap, looks like I fell for a troll.


How so? I dont get what you mean. Are you at all interested in this business deal?
Estel Again
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-24 13:26:45 UTC
This is not a business deal. This is the Titanic getting ready to sail.
Soulinks
Above the Horizon
#18 - 2012-06-24 14:57:05 UTC
As of now, i am scrapping this request then unless someone is willing to come into the team and help financially.
Its pretty clear that people here want a 100% safe gamble to pay off, which no one can do.
MicioGatto
#19 - 2012-06-25 22:18:01 UTC
Special Air Services: Perfect name, for a guy trying to sell AIR.

Good luck with your scam.