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Speeding Up Skills Through Actions?

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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#1 - 2012-06-23 09:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kor Soluce
I saw the link in the Commonly Proposed Ideas sticky, but the link is broken. While I have my own ideas on the subject, I was more curious on what the community's feelings were on the matter before I said anything. Also, if anybody knows, what things have the Devs just outright said won't happen in this area?

EDIT:

Whenever I see if one of my friends wants to start up EVE, or try to get someone to play in some way I hear the same complaints over and over. "Isn't that the game that plays itself?" or "Isn't that the game where you have to wait a year before you can do anything?" Not entirely accurate, but it's what everyone I try to get into this game sees. Just a massive wall of waiting in between them and doing anything fun or interesting.

I know that the current community likes the system, at least for the most part, but you must admit it gets ridiculous. Why should I have to wait for over a month just to try something new? I see a game here that I like, but that has no chance of growing unless it opens itself up a little. So why not have a system where you can slightly accelerate your training?

After reading responses below I think this might be something that could work. Change the bonus you receive from completing a mission under time. Normally you just receive extra profit, but why not allow a choice of either profit or a slight boost to whatever skill is currently training? Keep in mind, this would only be for the bonus reward and it would be around a minute at the most. Just a small bonus so new players wouldn't feel like the time factor was entirely out of their control.

If you don't like this idea then what might be changed about it, or what other area of this game could be changed to open it up to more players?
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-23 10:30:57 UTC
The languages of the world do not contain enough ways of saying "No" to adequately cover the sheer level of rejection you are about to endure from the community.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-06-23 10:33:36 UTC
You can already do this. Make ISK to get implants, plug in implants.

Or remaps, they're free!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#4 - 2012-06-23 11:08:16 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
I saw the link in the Commonly Proposed Ideas sticky, but the link is broken. While I have my own ideas on the subject, I was more curious on what the community's feelings were on the matter before I said anything. Also, if anybody knows, what things have the Devs just outright said won't happen in this area?


You are posting in the wrong forum.

Go post here were you belong:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#5 - 2012-06-23 11:12:25 UTC
Speeding up skills trought actions: grind isk -> buy another character, a better one. Optionally: sell your first one.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.

Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#6 - 2012-06-23 20:20:46 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
The languages of the world do not contain enough ways of saying "No" to adequately cover the sheer level of rejection you are about to endure from the community.


That's roughly what I expected actually. Vehement opposition. Can anyone answer me why? What is so unappealing about this?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-06-23 22:02:13 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
The languages of the world do not contain enough ways of saying "No" to adequately cover the sheer level of rejection you are about to endure from the community.


That's roughly what I expected actually. Vehement opposition. Can anyone answer me why? What is so unappealing about this?



To train my drone skills, I sit in a ship, set my drones on my alt, who is set up to tank them just fine, and go AFK for the rest of the day.

Repeat this for every kind of module.

That's the problem.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#8 - 2012-06-23 22:08:41 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
The languages of the world do not contain enough ways of saying "No" to adequately cover the sheer level of rejection you are about to endure from the community.


That's roughly what I expected actually. Vehement opposition. Can anyone answer me why? What is so unappealing about this?


Because one of the primary reasons the bulk of players joined EVE is precisely that skilling up is not dependent on in game actions. This contributes to emergent gameplay and to the sandbox: you train skills even if all you do is chew the fat in the corp chat.

Speeding this up via in game actions would create two tiers of players: those who have to time to do nothing but grinds, and those who don't. Rather than a veteranship system as we have now, we would have a twitch base system that rewards button mashing over careful planning of skills and progressive enjoyment of the game.

It is what slows the pace here, and we love it.
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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-23 22:18:44 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Kor Soluce wrote:
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
The languages of the world do not contain enough ways of saying "No" to adequately cover the sheer level of rejection you are about to endure from the community.


That's roughly what I expected actually. Vehement opposition. Can anyone answer me why? What is so unappealing about this?


Because one of the primary reasons the bulk of players joined EVE is precisely that skilling up is not dependent on in game actions. This contributes to emergent gameplay and to the sandbox: you train skills even if all you do is chew the fat in the corp chat.

Speeding this up via in game actions would create two tiers of players: those who have to time to do nothing but grinds, and those who don't. Rather than a veteranship system as we have now, we would have a twitch base system that rewards button mashing over careful planning of skills and progressive enjoyment of the game.

It is what slows the pace here, and we love it.


Actually, it has to do with devaluing SP. Characters are worth isk. The faster you train, the less other characters are worth. People look out for number one...Roll
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#10 - 2012-06-23 22:25:14 UTC
This is really great feedback guys. Like I said I have my own ideas on this subject and this is helping me to refine them. The #1 complaint I hear from friends when I ask them to come play this game is all the wait time or that "That's that game that plays itself right? derpderp." So I'm hoping to come up with an idea that might broaden the audience without hurting all of the long-playing fans.

Keep the responses coming!
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#11 - 2012-06-23 22:33:43 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Speeding up skills trought actions: grind isk -> buy another character, a better one. Optionally: sell your first one.


Also, could someone explain this to me? I tried doing a little search and got instantly confused by a mix of results. Is this something you can legitimately do in the game, or is it handled by third party sites? Links to some good data are appreciated.
Raphael Celestine
Celestine Inc.
#12 - 2012-06-23 23:02:44 UTC
The Character Bazaar is the official character-sales forum (it's listed with the other buying/selling forums here). The rules are in a sticky there - it's worth reading them carefully if you're considering buying or selling a toon, because I believe CCP is quite strict about what can and can't be done.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#13 - 2012-06-23 23:27:59 UTC
Kor Soluce wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Speeding up skills trought actions: grind isk -> buy another character, a better one. Optionally: sell your first one.


Also, could someone explain this to me? I tried doing a little search and got instantly confused by a mix of results. Is this something you can legitimately do in the game, or is it handled by third party sites? Links to some good data are appreciated.

Character sales are handled on this forum and this forum only. There are third party sites, but you're liable to be banned, lose the toon and any connected toons etc.

Go to forums > character bazaar

*NVM, above poster linked it.

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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#14 - 2012-06-23 23:51:30 UTC
Thanks much
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
#15 - 2012-06-24 23:53:55 UTC
I hate bamping but I'd like more opinions.
Dave Stark
#16 - 2012-06-25 00:12:31 UTC
no. i don't want to have to log in, or have to do activity x in order to not feel penalised.