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Exploration in hi-sec space for a new player

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Tabernack en Chasteaux
Phoibe Enterprises
#21 - 2011-09-21 00:31:31 UTC
apollo Thellere wrote:
Managed to grab 15m of loot from 3 of the 5 cans at the radar before a cheetah appeared on grid and grabbed the remaining 2 cans contents...


That is what is known as a **** move. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I find someone in a site already I have the decency to o7 and move on.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#22 - 2011-09-21 00:55:30 UTC
Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:
apollo Thellere wrote:
Managed to grab 15m of loot from 3 of the 5 cans at the radar before a cheetah appeared on grid and grabbed the remaining 2 cans contents...


That is what is known as a **** move. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I find someone in a site already I have the decency to o7 and move on.


I've come upon people running sites, particularly DED 4/10. I overheat my afterburner and get there before them and take the loot.

Eve is all about competition. He's doing it right.
Jupek Faithflame
Storm Vulture
#23 - 2011-09-21 04:21:26 UTC
apollo Thellere wrote:
I decided to start exploration with my main 2 weeks ago. My skills are not brilliant for scanning but i manage ok for now, managed to scan down multiple combat sites - although they all (upto now) have been really poor sites with only frigs, 1 mag site and a single radar site.


What ship/setup you currently use for scanning and running the sites? Also I would like to know how you determ which sites you ignore during the scanning phase because you "know" those a propably too hard for your skills and setup?

Radar sites might or might not be guarded so those are most likely 'easy' on hi-sec? Which sites newbies should avoid and let more skilled players to handle?
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-09-21 05:29:57 UTC
Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:
apollo Thellere wrote:
Managed to grab 15m of loot from 3 of the 5 cans at the radar before a cheetah appeared on grid and grabbed the remaining 2 cans contents...


That is what is known as a **** move. I don't know about the rest of you, but if I find someone in a site already I have the decency to o7 and move on.

Personally I'm a NiceGuyâ„¢ and I operate on "First come, first serve" and I don't ninja other people's sites. However I firmly believe that if something is worth having it's worth fighting for, and I think think it's great that we have the opportunity to create conflict by fighting over sites :D
iNFoRMaLiTY11
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-09-21 05:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: iNFoRMaLiTY11
Somebody already said its luck based. Its like taking a deck of cards, shuffling and picking the top most card. After every pick of card you shuffle the deck again. If you do this long enough sometimes youll get aces several times in a row yet you get garbage a lot of times. Never think of exploration as ISK/Hour activity. Rather think of it as ISK per fun activity. You travel more, you learn the market better if you want to maximise isk, youll meet different baddies and good guys in the process.

Also it depends what your goal is. I recommend set your goal pretty low for starters. I started out with exploration quite a long time ago. Did high sec, went low sec, eventually found my current corp and started blasting wormholes. My goal has always been rather simple one. Always to have enough isk to replace the ship i fly in. I.E if i fly a 6 mil arbitrator i want at least 6mil on my character. I pay with actual money for my account not ISK so im not the slave of "oh god must grind loads of iskies for next plex". So when i do hit a 30 mil site in low sec or wh im jumping for joy like a madman.

Also ive lost a LOADS of ships learning to survive low sec. My best recommendation would be to get yourself in a dirt cheap *insert your racial* frigate or cruiser with t1 fit and hit low sec at the bare minimum ASAP and forget high sec. Expect to lose 10 of those ship on the first day and dont get downed by it. Look map really hard to find out about the systems in low sec and where to scan. Look activities/kills different kinds of statistics and and hit the less popular ones. Low sec sites are very often overestimated, most of them can be easily done in a cruiser if you fit correct hardeners and they have considerably less stuff to kill compared to high sec missions. Though id train cloaking to at least 1 (takes what 20 minutes?) as sort of "prerequisite" for low sec.

Edit: Also 5nite please do another project if you have the motivation. I thought about doing a small video for youtube myself on the same subject until i tried it frapsing and realised that even with crap settings my computer can barely andle 2 things at the same time.
Ioqua
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#26 - 2011-09-21 10:58:13 UTC
You can try and be the nice guy but someone will always try and ninja you at some point. About that time is when you will probabaly change your opinion.

Oh and fit a point..they dont expect that Twisted
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-09-21 13:09:58 UTC
If you were to rewrite the blog, i'd suggest not taking the Imicus, i used it at first too, but that's because i was focusing only on Magnetometric and Radar sites, but if you skip the Salvager and Analyzer, you can easily put together a combat destroyer or a frigate that'll clear Hideouts and Lookouts, it's not worth skipping those and you can clear them with minimum SP.
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-09-21 14:25:38 UTC
the blog was all about how to make decent isks with minimum skills for new player

and hideout is doable with imicus too, btw.
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-09-21 14:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
i've done it, i know, but barely and it's really slow because you can't tank any damage, it's a waste of time doing it in an Imicus, in a destroyer you get in trading drone skills for gunnery skills and you can clear more than in an imicus
5nipe
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-09-23 14:06:59 UTC
iNFoRMaLiTY11 wrote:

Edit: Also 5nite please do another project if you have the motivation. I thought about doing a small video for youtube myself on the same subject until i tried it frapsing and realised that even with crap settings my computer can barely andle 2 things at the same time.


iNFoRMaLiTY11 wrote:


Edit: Also 5nite please do another project if you have the motivation. I thought about doing a small video for youtube myself on the same subject until i tried it frapsing and realised that even with crap settings my computer can barely andle 2 things at the same time.


Ofc I have motivation. :-)

I am not sure if rewriting hi sec exploration blog is my top priority atm.

Even been outdated Hi sec Exploration Almanac still gives new people good idea what is exploration is about in general and how to start it as mini-profession.

Important thing with exploration, as mini-profession, is the fact that it is became as boring as any other PvE content at some point, especially in hi sec. Yes, you can made lot of ISKs, became virtual billionaire, and this is pretty much all. Personally I have found DED hunting in hi sec as boring as running missions.

Low sec is a bit different story, not only that you can make more ISKs, but mostly it is a bit of thrill. Life and operation in low sec is nothing close to hi sec, and very different to 0.0. If you do exploration right way, it is a lot of fun, very entertaining and can be extremely profitable.

I am planning my next little project to answer the one of most common question: how much you can make in low sec.
I mean, is it worth to go there, risk your ship and pod? Risk/Profit in low sec was the question floating around for awhile.

You can't increase profit on your own while, but you can drastically reduce risks.

And this is another project I have in mind. Sort of "survival guide" for people who wants to get theirs fits wet in low sec. I have read tons of materials how to operate in low sec. Lot of good tips here and there, but bottom line of the most advices: "clak+mwd trick".

I spent almost a year (starting right after I wrote Almanac) in low sec dedicated to another mini-profession: "low sec pirate". Do not be confused, I did it with my alts. So, I want to write how to avoid PvP in low sec (actually avoiding PvP still part of PvP) from "pirate" point of view.

Yet another thing I willing to do is to show people how to burn theirs pathetic wealth they made with exploration. It can be introduction into PvP in low sec for the guys who wants blood, but have no idea where the vein is.

That is pretty much I have in mind for next few month.

I never wrote any blogs before, and Almanac dragged me from casual plying almost into full time job (not for a long tho :-) ).
Assembling materials, writing texts, photoshop screenshots and editing videos can be very time consuming. And producing quality content requires big deal of effort. So I think about some rewards in return. I don't want to pump my project with ads all over pages, so I do my little research about possibility of subscription/donation/sponsorship. Not that I loose any sleep if I can't get any (Ad Words still the option) but potential prospective of "making fortune" out of ads always keeps me motivated.

In any event, I am opened for any questions or suggestions to keep me in right direction and deliver entertaining reading.

cheers


Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#31 - 2011-09-23 16:15:19 UTC
If you don't have them already, sister core scanner probes.

seriously. +10% on scan strength for nothing but money/LP+money is nothing to sneeze at. And your standing with the SOE should be ok if you ran through the first Epic Arc.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Jupek Faithflame
Storm Vulture
#32 - 2011-09-25 05:36:37 UTC
5nipe wrote:
I am not sure if rewriting hi sec exploration blog is my top priority atm.


I understand. And I'll try to re-read what you have wrote before and learn from it. Big smile

I allready started to write a blog about this issue my point of view and my real life skills I have (or lack) for EVE. It will be more of a diary than a guide but maybe someone find something usefull there. I'll publish first results next week and post a link to this thread if this is still open.

5nipe wrote:
I am planning my next little project to answer the one of most common question: how much you can make in low sec. I mean, is it worth to go there, risk your ship and pod? Risk/Profit in low sec was the question floating around for awhile.


Excellent! I'll waiting for it.

Jupek Faithflame
Storm Vulture
#33 - 2011-09-25 05:39:55 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
If you don't have them already, sister core scanner probes.

seriously. +10% on scan strength for nothing but money/LP+money is nothing to sneeze at. And your standing with the SOE should be ok if you ran through the first Epic Arc.


Thanks for the tip. I found out that those probes are on open market also (300k+). Or where should I buy those? My standing is good for SOE...if I checked right.

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=30488
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-09-25 09:01:25 UTC
I didn't read all the responses to this thread but I just wanted to add my two cents about Exploration in case any new players are reading this.

If you like the idea of exploration but find it frustrating because it is taking you forever to scan stuff down (and half the time it ends up being unstable wormholes) I recommend putting it on hold until you can train into a Tech 2 exploration ship and until you have trained all of your exploration focused skills up to level 3 at least.

Fit rigs to your new ship (I have an Anathema) and a sisters launcher and probes and the difference in your speed and ability to scan is staggering compared to your old starter exploration ship and gear. It turns it into a fun and fairly profitable endeavor.
Talon Kitsune
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-09-25 16:18:37 UTC
Dalloway Jones wrote:
Fit rigs to your new ship (I have an Anathema) and a sisters launcher and probes and the difference in your speed and ability to scan is staggering compared to your old starter exploration ship and gear. It turns it into a fun and fairly profitable endeavor.


The rig, probes, and launchers that are designed for it really do pay off. My biggest complaint about high-sec exploration when your early into it is a lack of good frigate choices. I wanted a frigate for the job because you can't get much bigger into the combat sites, and the loot is worth it. I also hate switchin out ships or gear, more often than not I find someone else stumbled across the site while I was out.

I ended up going with a freaky Worm with 1 missile launcher, a load of drones, salvager, probe launcher, shield booster, afterburner, analyzer, codebreaker set up. Gravimetric rig, capacitor rig, and a drone velocity rig. Basically in the combat set up you have a stable cap for burner/shield boost which means your a high speed boosting tank, so you're not gonna die while you wait for the drones to kill everything. It works for me until I can get a T2 frigate.
Jupek Faithflame
Storm Vulture
#36 - 2011-09-25 18:14:15 UTC
Jupek Faithflame wrote:
I allready started to write a blog about this issue my point of view and my real life skills I have (or lack) for EVE. It will be more of a diary than a guide but maybe someone find something usefull there.


I decided to share these link allready altough I only have three posts on my blog so far. I'll post more results as soon I have time to continue EVE. So watch out that address if you want to see my progress and results.

Intro
Starting point
First round
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-09-25 19:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
bad fits, i don't know why you keep going with them even though people already told you they're awful
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#38 - 2011-09-25 21:22:29 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
bad fits, i don't know why you keep going with them even though people already told you they're awful


What a constructive post.
Jupek Faithflame
Storm Vulture
#39 - 2011-09-26 06:31:59 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
bad fits, i don't know why you keep going with them even though people already told you they're awful


Please give me better newbie setups if you have one because based of your comment you sound a person who know better. But please don't give a ship + fit setup which costs 2M+ for scanning because I want to follow main rule: "Don't use setups you are not afford to loose". I have about 20M on my wallet currently.

If you refer my scanning setup (Imicus) I stated it is my initial setup because I don't know what I'm against and I don't know all tactics you (speed tanking etc.) altough I know theory of those. And I'm going to adjust that along the road. And if you you refer that Osprey setup that is best what I have currently for this job and don't have another 20M+ to spend new one...currently.

And as long I don't find even single site this is not even relevant. Cool And if I find something then I might have afford to spend some money to new setups.

So feel free to share your knowledge.
Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-09-26 13:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
you already got the caracal fitting posted here, why aren't you using that, you need minimum skills to scan, a scanning frigate is an overkill with your skills, with those you can go lowsec with a normal probe launcher and no rigs and find sites without any problems, there's always going to be one mag and radar site you won't scan down anyway in high, rest is reachable, using a scanning frigate means you'll get your sites stolen

the general things are, don't mix tanks, don't put relays if you're putting on a booster, don't put a plate on if you're going to put an overdrive and a shield booster, use proper drones, mixing em and explosive drones makes absoultely no sense, 4 light drones make more dps than 1medium+2 on paper and in game

if your missile skills are this bad then you might aswell train for a cormorant and get some hideouts done too, but caracal's not bad, but get some support skills in missiles

Quote:
[Cormorant, New Setup 3]
Shield Power Relay II

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Medium Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Codebreaker I

75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
75mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Core Defence Field Purger I
Small Core Defence Field Purger I
Small Core Defence Field Purger I


this is a cormorant fitting, you need some minimum gunnery skills, i've done angel hideouts and lookouts with a thrasher that had worse stats and angel hideouts are the hardest ones, if you feel like you're having problems then carry annother resist mod and swap for the codebreaker, thermal for serps, annother kinetic for guristas, should be able to get angels done with it too, for that you use explosion and add a kinetic one if necessary. this is based on your other fits, so t2 relay and shield upgrades as in your ships, if you don't like it, swap for t1.

Quote:
[Caracal, New Setup 5]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I
Codebreaker I

SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Bloodclaw Light Missile
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Bloodclaw Light Missile
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Bloodclaw Light Missile
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay, Bloodclaw Light Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hornet I x2


if you can't afford extender rigs, just skip them, use resits and drones according to where you're scanning, get some missile support skills

ofc i'd suggest you go with the cormorant, you get more done in it, doing a watch in a caracal is possible, but probably not with your piloting skills, you'd only be wasting tags, with the cormorant you can do a lookout and a hideout, both can drop good loot, it's good because most people explore in cruisers so there's plenty hideouts left for you and you can always try to do 2/10s if you come across one that isn't camped