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Where is the CSM? Do they support the sandbox or not?

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-06-23 15:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Aryth wrote:

Tieing back into your gankingn statement. No one has gotten ganking nerfed more than goons. 3-4 nerfs now depending on how you are keeping count.


Keep in mind that that is Issler posting. She's is fundamentally incapable of acting in an objective manner and will always choose whichever option screws goons over the most regardless of whether its good for the game or her constituents.

Also the current CSM is irrelevant and will continue to be so without effective leadership. The current CSM is exactly the sort CCP wants to have, "Sit there, shut up and be our PR talking point."

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-06-23 16:05:17 UTC
CCP implemented something into the game without fully thinking about it. Again. Goons used it to their advantage. I think its bullshit that the money was taken back. I'm not for or against goons and I usually stay out of the drama but this is crap. CCP need to pull their heads out of their asses and think about what they do before they do it.
The people who used this mechanic for valid market manipulation shouldn't be screwed out of their earnings just because ccp is ******* useless.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2012-06-23 16:09:11 UTC
Tragedy wrote:
CCP implemented something into the game without fully thinking about it. Again.


This is on top of us testing the hell out of it on SiSi and warning CCP that was going to happen.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-06-23 16:20:20 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I'm a CSM and I am a CSM because I love the sandbox that is Eve.

Problem is no one can agree what the "sandbox" means...

...So we all want a sandbox, but we still have to have some rules to agree what it means to be in that sandbox.

So for me I guess I call for CCP to define what they think this sandbox means because I can understand how many of us have no idea what "sandbox" means.

I'm going to ask for a dev blog to share what CCP thinks sandbox means.


Yeah, I think this is part of the problem. Recently CCP expanded arnon and the SOE arc systems into the "rookie systems" even though a lot of people have finished the tuts and should be at least a little aware of how dangerous the game is. Likewise some people are confused about hi and how it isn't a non-pvp area, if it were meant to be such, you wouldn't be able to attack another player there.

Clarification here would be good.



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As to the recent market shenanigans of the goons, they admitted they were doing something they knew was taking advantage of reverse engineering the game mechanic CCP had created to create a stable market and healthy economy to break the market and economy. The knowing intent to take advantage of a "hole" in how Eve works is very goon, also not consistent with the intention of the EULA. So clearly the goons were intending to break the sandbox. Very clever and very wrong.


Emphasis mine. For the point of having a debate, market manipulation and scamming others is very much a part of eve culture. In many other cases, when players scam one another CCP has looked the other way. You could make an argument that CCP was aware that something like this would happen and wanted it to be as such. If that is the case, the goons broke the sandbox in their favor not by doing this, but by creating such a commotion that this feature (market manipulation of LP) was removed so one of their enemies couldn't do it and get a ton of faction ships to fight the goons with for little to nothing.

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