Missions & Complexes

Read the second sentence. Just because you refuse to go where there is group content aside from Incursions, doesn't mean that CCP needs to cater to you.

L5s used to be in HS. CCP decided that they preferred group (semi-)instanced content to exist only outside of HS. L5s are now only available in LS.

And l5s (group missions) were moved out of HS for a reason.

Either way, CCP said with that move that they didn't want group missions in HS.

What you claim to like to do exists in EvE. It's just not in places that are convenient for you (or in the exact instanced form you want; Incursions are group PvE in HS. It's what you asked for).

If it can be done without logistics, it can be done solo. L5s proved that. You just want l5s back in HS.

Look at what happened to the incursion "community" post-nerf: it virtually disappeared. If by "interaction" you mean "communicate just enough to form a fleet and shoot some pluses" then yeah, incursions already do that and I don't think we need more of the same.

Personally, I'd like to see more long-term bonds developed. I want highsec corp membership to mean more than a private chat channel and lower taxes. Creating content specifically aimed at corporations would give players a compelling reason to stick with their corporation and invest time and effort into its development.



So put at least a portion of level 4 corp mission content in lowsec. Like, every mission would have at least one component (I think it would be cool to have multiple assignments per mission, btw) in low.

Corporate storyline missions could go 1-2 jumps into nullsec.



No, I want a completely new set of content designed for corporations. An industrial corp might get a mission to produce a specific specialty item that requires a certain type (or multiple types) of non-standard ore. They'd get a blueprint, a location(s?) to mine the ore--which could include work in lowsec--and a time table. The higher the mission level, the more demanding the order. I want it to be something very different from incursions.



I see this as a problem. People talk about barriers to entry to lowsec...I'd say one of the biggest barriers is that there's no compelling reason to go to low/null if you never develop any friendships in high. Treating highsec as the solo zone where people just do their own thing and assuming that anyone looking for team play will simply "leave highsec" leaves out the part where they found a REASON to leave. More likely, they're leaving Eve for lack of a social experience. Of all the people I know who started and quit, that's the most-cited reason.



It's important to remember that the L4 income you stated (didn't quote it for brevity) is on the higher end. Most missioners I know make 40-50 mil. There's a big window between 50 and 80 mil, and I'd suggest that for my idea, only L4 corp missions could compete with incursion income...but would require at least as many players.

Aside from w-space, most of the game's PVE content isn't much different than that of highsec. It just pays a little better. For the PVE-minded players, I really don't see much reason to leave highsec. Nullsec PVE is just a means to funding nullsec stuff. We're talking about people who play Eve for completely different reasons.

I want to see CCP create a set of content specifically designed to draw player corporations into dangerous space chasing the almighty isk. I want it to be part of the natural progression. Level 5 missions failed to do that because they were ALL moved to lowsec. The content was effectively removed from high, making L4s the new bar. Incursions are always either high, low, or null. One incursion can never cross the border.

Imagine L4 corporate missions that can take fleets 5-10 jumps away from the mission agent and assign tasks in lowsec. Missions designed to take two hours for a group of 10-15 people to complete, including multiple objectives. My vision of this kind of content differs wildly from the OPs...mine is all about encouraging people to learn to work together for long-term objectives and invest the time to achieve them...and then dangling the isk carrot out into lowsec.

edit: In my mind, corporate L3s would be the highest level of highsec-only missions and should pay the equivalent of solo L4s and be built for 4-6 people. This would probably satisfy the OP.

Well, you need a good ship to do a dangerous mission even if that mission is in low sec. A good ship might cost hundreds of millions of isk, especially now that the prices are up. So if you go to low sec, you also risk losing those isk piles. In order to earn half a billion, you probably would still have to finish few missions, then do some hauling, ... Maybe you want to use implants too. All this time you risk to get ganked.

Ok, maybe you learn to avoid getting ganked, but that is not totally obvious especially to new players / casual players. At first new players farm level 1 and 2 missions. They don't earn much, so they learn that isk is valuable. Then they farm tons of level 3 missions. They might get a battleship, do some level 4s, and then wander into low.

First, they are greeted with a warning "Are you sure, you want to go to low sec, as it is dangerous!?" If they dismiss the message and go anyway, they might end up into a gate camp.

One other problem is that there are not many limits. There could be a whole fleet of gankers against you. Pve content is a challenge. Pvp content is a risk. All sane persons try to minimize risk. If pve content is hard, then there is more challenge. If pvp targets are carebears, then pvp content is easy. But even hard pve content is only hard, it doesn't become too hard, unless you do wrong level pve.

Sure in low sec there are still gate guns protecting you, but the guns don't seem to bother campers much. Then in null, well you might end up against anything. You can sneak around in null, or join fleets, but it is not only challenging, it is like lottery where you are bound to win to get ganked eventually.

Now, as the new player gets his uber (pve!) ship finally and goes to null, he might notice that he is back to farming lvl 3 missions again, unless he has saved up some monies. That is not encouraging. Only by playing Eve so long, that you really know what you are doing, can fly ship well, have back up plans, plan Bs, safe spots all over, intel, friends, etc, you can manage, and it is still risky.

Ok, pve:ing in null is risky, and it is good that way. But there is no wonder, that people go more rarily to take more risks.

No.

Its when you can print buckets of isk with pimped out ships in complete safety that people outside of high sec start getting irritated.

Re: Incursions.

Incursion Outpost sites (or whatever they're called, the ones lower than VGs).

But no, you also want a lot more profit. Well, sonny, for that you need to either take a risk or put in more effort (Nullsec is only safe for ratters because of the combined efforts of hundreds of people.