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Bring back Myrmidon drone bandwith?

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Verlyn
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#21 - 2012-06-23 23:21:03 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Verlyn wrote:

Can't be stressed more I think.

The fact I'd sooner resort to a shieldfit with autocannons on a gallente ship, merely to outdps on my lack of hybrid bonuses and now nerfed drone bw capacity, is proof enough that this nerf was poorly thought out and gimped the ship's initial use in the field.

Lin makes a point, hopefully CCP heeds call.


I've seen armour tanked caldari ships. I've seen AC fit tengus (before they exploded). Fit something because it works, not because it's racial.


Why bother have race balance altogether then.

Hell, why bother have races at all in that case.....
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#22 - 2012-06-24 00:17:23 UTC
Verlyn wrote:
Pwetty please?

This ship pretty much came down from being a topnotch drone BC (as it should be) with below average turret dps, to an ok-ish neuter or autocannons triple-repped ganker (nothing a minmatar BC or neutspecific ship can't do + its own bonuses...).

Prey tell me though, where that nerf came from? As I totally missed on it and hadn't flown Myrms in a very long time.

Thanks.








Buy an Ishtar. Or you want an Ishtar thats as cheap as a BC? No sorry.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2012-06-24 08:47:26 UTC
I like this thread. Supported too. Tried the myrm a few times, found the lack of drone BW to be an obstacle.


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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-24 15:00:05 UTC
Nestara Aldent wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Pwetty please?

This ship pretty much came down from being a topnotch drone BC (as it should be) with below average turret dps, to an ok-ish neuter or autocannons triple-repped ganker (nothing a minmatar BC or neutspecific ship can't do + its own bonuses...).

Prey tell me though, where that nerf came from? As I totally missed on it and hadn't flown Myrms in a very long time.

Thanks.








Buy an Ishtar. Or you want an Ishtar thats as cheap as a BC? No sorry.


Maybe he wants something that has more gank but also slower than an HAC, like... you know, a BC, which is the case with every race except Gallante.
Verlyn
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#25 - 2012-06-25 00:38:37 UTC
Great, more support, keep em coming, hopefully they'll listen. Thanks.
Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
#26 - 2012-06-29 18:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Griffin Omanid
I also agree with more bandwith for the Myrmidon, but I also would like to see it on the Eos or a drone fitted Proteus.
They could also change the rep-bonus to a drone cargo bonus like in the Ishtar.

PS: Ok my idea would result in more shield-tanking myrmidons.

Edit:Another option would be to implement highslot-moduls, which increases the bandwith. These moduls can also seperated in small, medium and large, which results in different bonis like +5 Mbit/s, +10 Mbit/s and +25 Mbit/s and different PG/CPU requirements.

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PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#27 - 2012-06-29 18:47:25 UTC
Griffin Omanid wrote:
I also agree with more bandwith for the Myrmidon, but I also would like to see it on the Eos or a drone fitted Proteus.
They could also change the rep-bonus to a drone cargo bonus like in the Ishtar.

PS: Ok my idea would result in more shield-tanking myrmidons.

Edit:Another option would be to implement highslot-moduls, which increases the bandwith. These moduls can also seperated in small, medium and large, which results in different bonis like +5 Mbit/s, +10 Mbit/s and +25 Mbit/s and different PG/CPU requirements.



Eos and Myrmidon both need the bandwidth increase as they are pretty much the same damn ship.

Not to say it should replace the Ishtar, HACS in general need a buff.

Proteus does not need the upgrade, it already outperforms both HACS at either role, and the Myrmidon in its role, no need to make it completely outshine everything.

No to highslot bandwidth increases

You don't even need to move its high slot, they aren't that overpowered, anyone who thinks a set of ogres is going to make it overpowered has no concept of Drones or how broken the Gallente still are. .
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#28 - 2012-06-29 19:36:06 UTC
PinkKnife wrote:

You don't even need to move its high slot, they aren't that overpowered, anyone who thinks a set of ogres is going to make it overpowered has no concept of Drones or how broken the Gallente still are. .


The issue I think is that CCP lost focus with Gallente. Gallente are supposed to be speed tanked blaster boats. Now, not all have to be that way (if domi is nerf am out), but unlike other races (ie Minmatar=cheap glass cannons, Ammar=lazordrones, Caldari=shieldorama), gallente ships are all over the place, and in particular, the focus seems to have become the armor tanking, rather than the dps. Hence a three reper myrm, but no ability to fully deploy Ogres.

That has tactical consequences that I believe are unintended that weaken the race - it makes them a premier PvE line, but completely useless for solo PvP and for pure Gallente FW/Small gang.

And the fleet doctrines show this to be the case, not even the Proteus is widely used, Tengus are. AN dit has nothing to do with roleplaying or racial preferences, crosstraining is a must. Its all about cost/benefit and tactical ability.

The myrm needs either a significant blaster oriented buff (tracking bonuses, speed buff, whatever), or it needs 5 ogres. Otherwise its the premier Level 3 missionboat and not much else.
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Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
#29 - 2012-07-05 21:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Griffin Omanid
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:

The issue I think is that CCP lost focus with Gallente. Gallente are supposed to be speed tanked blaster boats. Now, not all have to be that way (if domi is nerf am out), but unlike other races (ie Minmatar=cheap glass cannons, Ammar=lazordrones, Caldari=shieldorama), gallente ships are all over the place, and in particular, the focus seems to have become the armor tanking, rather than the dps. Hence a three reper myrm, but no ability to fully deploy Ogres.


Gallente are supposed to use speed tank? I always thought that the main taktik of Gallente is jumping on your foe, don´t let them run away, and burn them in heavy blaster fire. And in the case you can´t directly jump to them protect yourself with sensor damper and throw drones on them... Ok, the "sensor damper and drone"-tactic would be usefull with speedtanking and seems to be the range tactic of gallente.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#30 - 2012-07-06 15:51:08 UTC
Would rather have a drone tracking/speed bonus on the Myrm so they can get to, and then hit their intended targets.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#31 - 2012-07-06 19:06:05 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
the original myrm was a great ship and i have fond memories of losing them over and over again trying to rat

unnerf it

Proteus should also receive at least 125mbit/s bandwidth.
Eurephigenie Phoenix
Knights of the Zodiac
#32 - 2012-07-07 16:10:21 UTC
Spc One wrote:

Proteus should also receive at least 125mbit/s bandwidth.


I also ask myself why you only get 100 mbit/s in a proteus. Also with 5 Ogres/Gardes the proteus would still not be as overpowered as the tengu.
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