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Can i haz systems reset now plz?
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Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-22 11:06:55 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
The posts that Hans has been making sure seem to suggest that he doesn't see the unbalanced mechanics being a major reason why the Minmitar have gained and held their advantage.

The goons even commented on it - "That is true, minmatar was picked because you were already owning amarr (probably due to speedtanking though).


I read that post and all I see is Hans saying that Goons aren't the sole factor that has caused Minmatar to be stronger than the Amarr and that w/out Goons everything goes to ****. vOv

I totally agree with you. What he DIDN'T say is that the Minmitar also have the benefit of broken NPCs to screw us over with plexing mechanics!!!
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-22 11:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...


so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#23 - 2012-06-22 11:09:25 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I'll agree with you that what Goons did was a **** move. But technically, besides the market manipulation part, it was all within the rules. So, now, instead of doing something about it.......like a major offensive plexing fleet. (goons left FW, (as far as my knowledge goes, and according to their post) so there goes alot of the competition) you guys want CCP to come in and press the reset button?

Wow, just......wow

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...

I didn't ask for a reset and my first post said it wouldn't happen...

I AM saying that the Minmitar are swimming in ISK/LP due to what the goons did and the goons picked the minmitar as the militia to use because of the broken NPCs which allowed them to plex far easier then we can and therefore allowed them to capture more systems...


The threads title says.... Quoting is about to go on here!

To Quote: "Can I haz systems reset now plz"

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Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-22 11:11:26 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I'll agree with you that what Goons did was a **** move. But technically, besides the market manipulation part, it was all within the rules. So, now, instead of doing something about it.......like a major offensive plexing fleet. (goons left FW, (as far as my knowledge goes, and according to their post) so there goes alot of the competition) you guys want CCP to come in and press the reset button?

Wow, just......wow

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...

I didn't ask for a reset and my first post said it wouldn't happen...

I AM saying that the Minmitar are swimming in ISK/LP due to what the goons did and the goons picked the minmitar as the militia to use because of the broken NPCs which allowed them to plex far easier then we can and therefore allowed them to capture more systems...


The threads title says.... Quoting is about to go on here!

To Quote: "Can I haz systems reset now plz"

NOT MY THREAD. First thing I acknowledged is that it won't happen!!!

Still not hearing any dispute that Minmitar have been given multiple leg ups...
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-22 11:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Do i really expect CCP to wade in and reset the amarr/minmatar front, after they did not reset before the patch when minnies steamrollered amarr systems in anticipation of the patch?: no.

But its free to ask,while backing it up with a reasonable debate.

I need to stick to the free stuff, since my isk making and pvp career got harpooned from every angle.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#26 - 2012-06-22 11:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
We dont need a reset. We need to remove LP from plexing once again until a better system for occupancy is devised and actual real dev time spend on implementing it. Also, revise the tier system so people can have some balance in their ability to afford ships for PvP.


What you have at stake here? You are part of a faction who does not want fights but remove your enemy entirely from face of low-sec. You have yourself said that "Occupancy does not interest me" since you can supposedly just go pirate on your whim. You have also hinted that you have ran so many missions that isk should not be a concern for you.

So am I right that basicly you want to have your cake and eat it too by being a low-sec pirate AND have legit wartargets whom you dont have to worry sentryguns about AND you want to be able to dock whereever you want since camping stations with instalockers is pr0-pvp and docking in hostile occupancy is perfectly normal?


What the **** is this?

Ive never camped a station with an instalocker in my life (unlike you), and i have about as many kills as you this month which is odd if i dont want to fight, right?

You really need to stop addressing individuals and assigning your psychotic impressions of the gallente militia as a whole to them. Everyone knows you are imbalanced but please, not everyone wants to see a train wreck every day. For you own sake damar, youve been forum banned twice, take the hint.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#27 - 2012-06-22 11:18:23 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...


so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail

Oh...**** GUYS, there's alot of systems of us to recapture! We have a awesome chance to make a **** ton of LP...if only we can get our heads out of eachothers asses.....oh wait, that requires work and ...GASP! Effort!!!?!?!?

CCP can we has reset plz...??!?

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-06-22 11:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

Oh...**** GUYS, there's alot of systems of us to recapture! We have a awesome chance to make a **** ton of LP...if only we can get our heads out of eachothers asses.....oh wait, that requires work and ...GASP! Effort!!!?!?!?

CCP can we has reset plz...??!?



dude, amarrs been sitting on buttons while dodging zee blob for over a month now, chasing frigs out of plexes and got no where. Now we find out minnies have been looking so damned good compared because the goonies were working a hella'sploit boosting the minnies no end.

forgetting for a second we actually have to sit in minmatar plexes in proper pvp/pve ships and that we have no stations to base from since they were taken before the patch, after the changes were announced, of course.

"working as intended" Hans?

The clues are here and while people still care, we will raise this valid and obvious points, till there isnt anyone left and minmatar fw becomes incursions with a better LP store.

I very much doubt ccp had this in mind when spending 5 minutes of a coders time implementing this shite

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#29 - 2012-06-22 11:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Azami Nevinyrall
Muad 'dib wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

Oh...**** GUYS, there's alot of systems of us to recapture! We have a awesome chance to make a **** ton of LP...if only we can get our heads out of eachothers asses.....oh wait, that requires work and ...GASP! Effort!!!?!?!?

CCP can we has reset plz...??!?



dude, amarrs been sitting on buttons while dodging zee blob for over a month now, chasing frigs out of plexes and got no where. Now we find out minnies have been looking so damned good compared because the goonies were working a hella'sploit boosting the minnies no end.

forgetting for a second we actually have to sit in minmatar plexes in proper pvp/pve ships and that we have no stations to base from since they were taken before the patch, after the changes were announced, of course.

"working as intended" Hans?

The clues are here and while people still care, we will raise this valid and obvious points, till there isnt anyone left and minmatar fw becomes incursions with a better LP store.

I very much doubt ccp had this in mind when spending 5 minutes of a coders time implementing this shite

I completely understand what GSF did, and CCP already stated what they're going to do about it.

All in all, stop bitching about your situation. Sucks as it does, just stop bitching about it and go do something about it. Because believe you me. I'm half tempted to bring an alt into Amarr just to farm Minnie LP...

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Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-22 11:48:10 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

Oh...**** GUYS, there's alot of systems of us to recapture! We have a awesome chance to make a **** ton of LP...if only we can get our heads out of eachothers asses.....oh wait, that requires work and ...GASP! Effort!!!?!?!?

CCP can we has reset plz...??!?



dude, amarrs been sitting on buttons while dodging zee blob for over a month now, chasing frigs out of plexes and got no where. Now we find out minnies have been looking so damned good compared because the goonies were working a hella'sploit boosting the minnies no end.

forgetting for a second we actually have to sit in minmatar plexes in proper pvp/pve ships and that we have no stations to base from since they were taken before the patch, after the changes were announced, of course.

"working as intended" Hans?

The clues are here and while people still care, we will raise this valid and obvious points, till there isnt anyone left and minmatar fw becomes incursions with a better LP store.

I very much doubt ccp had this in mind when spending 5 minutes of a coders time implementing this shite

I completely understand what GSF did, and CCP already stated what they're going to do about it.

All in all, stop bitching about your situation. Sucks as it does, and stop bitching about it and do something about it. Because believe you me. I'm half tempted to bring an alt into Amarr just to farm Minnie LP...

What the #### do you think we have been trying to do? Hold a tea party? Until CCP fix the NPC plexing issues, we are at a disadvantage. Add to that the Goons also helping out the minnies by gaming the system and you wonder why we have gone no where decent in a month???
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#31 - 2012-06-22 11:49:10 UTC
Perhaps instead of a reset ccp takes the ability away from the minnies to speed tank any plex in a t1 frigate and give it to us......... FW should rebalance itself after a while.
FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#32 - 2012-06-22 12:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: FIRST GENERAL
All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy.

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about Roll

:workingasintended:


Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*
durka dreckly
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#33 - 2012-06-22 12:08:42 UTC
Perhaps then you should learn to read a bit better
FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#34 - 2012-06-22 12:17:07 UTC
durka dreckly wrote:
Perhaps then you should learn to read a bit better


My bad, how could i only forget about :Plexing: Roll
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2012-06-22 12:23:58 UTC
Reset is the wrong thing to ask for .. balance it so that they can't rely on frigates for all their needs and make missions always going to hostile sovereignty (as it should be, WTF CCP!).

Their plexing will grind to a halt taking away the majority of their "earned" (read: not gooned) LP and with missions suddenly being hazardous to the killboard stats ....

Besides, CCP never makes mistakes so resetting anything is out of the question ... P

NB: Especially the mission bit, why in heavens name can they go to friendly systems .. makes no sense whatsoever and merely serves to strengthen that which is already strong (ie. snowball/steamroller) .. would act as an automatic balancing mechanic similar to diminishing VP returns.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#36 - 2012-06-22 12:38:44 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy.

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about Roll

:workingasintended:


Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*



If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.

The playing field should of been leveled a bit before these changes, we should be able to earn the same LP with the same effort as the opposing side, ie if one side can run a major in a t1 frg than all sides should, if a bomber can run fw missions for one side then the other should be able to with equal ease, keep station lockout, keep sov altering the LP rate in the stores.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#37 - 2012-06-22 12:47:46 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about Roll

:workingasintended:


Oh look, the first post I agree to in this thread.....and it had to come from FG!

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-06-22 13:04:12 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.

Can we get that system reset now please ccp?

The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them.


No. The Goons didn't do anything wrong. The only thing we all should be mad about is that we weren't smart enough to figure it out too. Well, maybe the Amarr should be mad that Goons picked to use the Minmatar to achieve their goals.

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FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#39 - 2012-06-22 13:17:37 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:


If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.



Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#40 - 2012-06-22 13:18:20 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.

Can we get that system reset now please ccp?

The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them.


on all means the Minnis did their thing to get to system control they had, and also spend some LP to prop up systems for sure. At least i did, and i am sure i am not the only one.

And about shinney stuff the clever of you Amar made an alt to profit as well i suppose.

But you clearly have a point that a lot of newcommers may have choosen Minmatarr as they so clearly won and got that nice LP-Store. Which has been artificially been propped up by some goon members manipulating the game and breaking Eula.

So yes, a sensible and fair solution would be to give us all a system reset. We Minnies really profited a lot also from the situation, so we get our share for doing the hard work of getting all that systems.

We should get on a fair ground again after this desaster, to start over and fight again with guns not with words ;).