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The Punishment for Blasphemy
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Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#41 - 2012-06-24 07:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Los Muertas
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
This is an announcement of a specific punishment for a specific crime.


While the actions of Joint Harvest, the general ethnic make-up of slaves, and Ssakaa's blood-lust are all interesting in their own right, may I ask that those discussions be moved to a different thread?

I have made an addendum to the original post.



So what you are saying, to all of the world, is that if your laws and sacred rites are broken everyone needs not only to hear about it in a nauseating announcement such as this, but if your people do the same exact thing... "its really not that important"? Well as you show such disdain for the rights of others and a lack of respect for others I will respond in kind. I am announcing today that I plan on devoting my time and effort to finding this "undisclosed location", burning it to the ground and rescuing those wrongfully held against their will by laws that have no respect for others.

If anyone has any information on the location of these holders and depots slave camps do be so good as to inform me. If any Caldari persons wish to help in the effort to liberate your kin sentenced to hard punishment forced upon them without even so much as having a single person of Caldari descent to speak for them, feel free to join me in this effort.

By the way when I find this location, and trust me I will, not a single Amarrian will be spared a bullet or the cruel touch of my crews hands from lowly slave master to the mistress herself.

Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#42 - 2012-06-24 08:10:42 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
This is an announcement of a specific punishment for a specific crime.


While the actions of Joint Harvest, the general ethnic make-up of slaves, and Ssakaa's blood-lust are all interesting in their own right, may I ask that those discussions be moved to a different thread?

I have made an addendum to the original post.


I do apologise for my part in the derailment of the discussion.

I hope we will be informed should the convicted be released to Kaalakiota authority.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#43 - 2012-06-24 08:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Los Muertas wrote:
So what you are saying, to all of the world, is that if your laws and sacred rites are broken everyone needs not only to hear about it in a nauseating announcement such as this, but if your people do the same exact thing... "its really not that important"?

Typically, one uses quotation marks when one is actually quoting someone.

I do think it's an important matter, but I don't believe it's relevant to this thread. Nor am I certain why you think employees of Joint Harvest qualify as 'my people.'


Quote:
Well as you show such disdain for the rights of others and a lack of respect for others I will respond in kind. I am announcing today that I plan on devoting my time and effort to finding this "undisclosed location", burning it to the ground and rescuing those wrongfully held against their will by laws that have no respect for others.

If anyone has any information on the location of these holders and depots slave camps do be so good as to inform me. If any Caldari persons wish to help in the effort to liberate your kin sentenced to hard punishment forced upon them without even so much as having a single person of Caldari descent to speak for them, feel free to join me in this effort.

By the way when I find this location, and trust me I will, not a single Amarrian will be spared a bullet or the cruel touch of my crews hands from lowly slave master to the mistress herself.

I question the wisdom of destroying a penal colony and freeing all the prisoners.

But given that you think Amarrians would be employed as wardens, I'm not worried about you finding it at all.

Edit: Wait - am I 'the mistress herself?' I don't spend my time hanging around prison planets. You're far more likely to find me in Jita or Hek.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-06-24 10:20:13 UTC
Ssakaa,

Thank you.

It seems I have an appointment to make.

~Malcolm Khross
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#45 - 2012-06-24 11:20:41 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Ssakaa,

Thank you.

It seems I have an appointment to make.


You're very welcome.

One more final detail. One of your rescued compatriots now resides in Stillwater where he leads a full life and I do trust a happy one. I am sorry the other cannot be traced accurately. My zealous crewman had this to say, not ten minutes ago, whilst he explored the dim, but egalitarian, corridors of his honest mind:

"See, I don' be 'aving any truck with no Caldari militias, but them folks were treated proper savage, like. And don' you be thinkin' I 'specially singled out them foreigners wi' my kinder nature. No, it's all a cryin' tapestry (sic: travesty) an' that's all there is to it."

So, not good with speeches, but Los Muertas, you may borrow him for your campaign. I would like him back in one piece, please.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-06-25 00:08:21 UTC
Blasphamy is a victimless crime. Don't believe me? allow me to explain.

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The allegations are as follows: Diskos Udani did willfully and with full knowledge of his crime, procure a blasphemous item of Galletean make and bring it into the holy Kingdom of Khanid. This item was a holoreel that showed an individual of indeterminate gender as the ‘Empress’ who performed crude and unnatural sexual acts with her ‘Private Council.’ Diskos Udani rented out this holoreel along with others of a pornographic nature to several individuals.


The crime described here is not indeed blasphemy but rather defamation of character. The charge of blasphemy was likely chosen due to its harsher punishment (see: death penalty) and because any just court would conclude, upon viewing the evidence, that the charge does not hold up.


The description of the erotic movie was vague but I believe I managed to track down a copy which I have since viewed. Had you also viewed it you may have noticed the legal disclaimer at the start of the video. In case you didn't allow me to quote.

"All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."


The film depicts a empress, not THE empress. Indeed, the film is stated to take place around 2000 years in the past and even then mentions and references to the Amarr empire are kept vague at best. As for the "crude and unnatural sexual acts" it was little more than standard penetration, a selection of sex positions I myself would barely call adventurous and 2 scenes with glass anal beads.
Even by Amarr standards I would hardly call the aforementioned sex acts "crude" and certainly not "unnatural". Indeed, the only thing that makes it remotely note-worthy as far as pornography is concerned is that it depicts "a" empress engaging in sexual acts with her council.


You know, even though you executed an innocent man, I could care less. Your laws are what they are and ordinarily I would not care to poke my nose into its operation. But the fact that you felt the need to post this crime and punishment bullcrap in a public forum irks me somewhat.
Exactly what are the other 15 people guilty of? masturbation? fornication? is it illegal to pleasure ones self in the Khanid and Amarr empire now?
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#47 - 2012-06-26 08:23:44 UTC
Kel hound wrote:

Exactly what are the other 15 people guilty of? ************? fornication? is it illegal to pleasure ones self in the Khanid and Amarr empire now?


The remaining fifteen people purchased and viewed a product that is illegal under Amarrian law. The holoreel is considered indecent and blasphemous material, and Captain Hanaya was following the protocol that has been established to deal with such matters.

Please understand that we are not without sympathy or understanding. When the slaves I have been given prove that they understand the depth of the crime they committed, they will be released into the care of their corporation's leadership.

Blasphemy of this nature is a serious charge, and I do not doubt that we all wish this matter to be concluded as swiftly as possible.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-06-26 14:20:05 UTC
Empress Jamyl I is a brutally dictatorial harlot of unmatched depravity, unable to abide by her own traditions and an incarnation of the rotten morass that is the Amarr Empire.

Now what?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-06-26 15:12:29 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Empress Jamyl I is a brutally dictatorial harlot of unmatched depravity, unable to abide by her own traditions and an incarnation of the rotten morass that is the Amarr Empire.

Now what?


Ah, the battlefield of the pacifist. Words and instigation.

Surely you understand the irony of attempting to claim a moral high ground though pacifism while simultaneously attempting to instigate and provoke through judgmental language and insults?

~Malcolm Khross
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-06-26 18:23:39 UTC
Don’t be upset, Khross, I have no such intention. As indicated by the last sentence, I merely am curious what will happen if I “insult” their Empress. Am I going to get death threats? Will the Amarrians here call for my execution?

Oh and by the way, I felt that my choice of words was rather appropriate and fitting. You disagree?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#51 - 2012-06-26 18:29:16 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Empress Jamyl I is a brutally dictatorial harlot of unmatched depravity, unable to abide by her own traditions and an incarnation of the rotten morass that is the Amarr Empire.

Now what?


As you've apparently never heard of it at your university, let me link you to something: Jurisdiction.

I don't care if you spend your nights fornicating with goats under the full moon while praising whatever heathen gods have sprung from your own demented mind. I'm sure that's a regular Tuesday night in Caille. I simply want your filth kept away from the planetary and station-side population of the Kingdom.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-06-26 18:37:25 UTC
Oh, I can repeat the same words in Amarr if you want.

But be that as it may, why, pray tell, dear sister, do you believe that a fellow human being deserves to be murdered for speaking their mind? Or as in this case even less than that, for merely listening or watching another person expressing themselves?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#53 - 2012-06-26 19:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
David Toviyah wrote:
Oh, I can repeat the same words in Amarr if you want.

Mr. Tovivah, I have no legal authority in the Amarr Empire save that which local agents give me.

The Amarr Empire and the Khanid Kingdom are both nations with their own sovereignty. The Kingdom follows a neo-feudal model wherein Lords and Ladies, who are all Holders, maintain their own domain. All recognize the divine authority of our great King Khanid II, but many keep their own planetary and stationary police forces who are tasked with keeping order among the commoner population.

A group of people were reported by other commoners, arrested by the police, and I was tasked with rendering judgment under the authority of Lord Hanaya as this happened within the Hanaya clan holdings. One of them was then executed while the others will be held for three months on a penal colony.

Notice that I, the person who passed judgement, didn't charge them with wrong doing, arrest them, did not execute anyone, and am not their warden right now. That's how a functional legal system operates and how adults deal with issues of crime and punishment.

Let me illustrate how children would deal with crime and punishment.
David: The Empress is a stupid-face!
Makkal: No, she's not!
David: Stupid-face, stupid-face. What are you gonna do about it?
Makkal: I'm gonna shoot you!!

If that's the reaction from me you're fishing for, might I suggest you grow-up a bit?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-06-26 19:33:01 UTC
Says the person who seems to support this behavior:

“Blasphemer”: The Empress is a doodoo head!
Makkal: DIE, HERETIC!!!

Or am I misunderstanding something here?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#55 - 2012-06-26 19:56:55 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Says the person who seems to support this behavior:

“Blasphemer”: The Empress is a doodoo head!
Makkal: DIE, HERETIC!!!

Or am I misunderstanding something here?

Let's see. You blasphemed in this thread, yet I have not suggested you should die. A group of Galleteans created and distributed this holoreel, yet I have not suggested they should die. Fifteen people watched the holoreel, and while it was in my power to sentence them to death, I did not do so.

Yes, I'd say you misunderstand a great deal.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-06-26 21:03:16 UTC
???

Makkal Hanaya wrote:
For this crime, Diskos Udani is sentenced to public execution at dawn tomorrow.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-06-26 21:27:42 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
???

Makkal Hanaya wrote:
For this crime, Diskos Udani is sentenced to public execution at dawn tomorrow.



You did not violate law in Empire/Kingdom space while under Imperial/Kingdom jurisdiction. You've merely spouted blasphemies in an attempt to incite a response. The aforementioned individual would have been well aware of the law and willingly and knowingly broke it, committing blasphemy (as defined by the law) for which the legal punishment is death while under Imperial/Kingdom jurisdiction. You don't have to like it.

David Toviyah wrote:
Oh and by the way, I felt that my choice of words was rather appropriate and fitting. You disagree?


Yes, I disagree. You used a number of adjectives and descriptors in a slanderous way and profaned the character of the Empress simply because of your viewpoint.

~Malcolm Khross
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-06-26 21:37:08 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Kel hound wrote:

Exactly what are the other 15 people guilty of? ************? fornication? is it illegal to pleasure ones self in the Khanid and Amarr empire now?


The remaining fifteen people purchased and viewed a product that is illegal under Amarrian law. The holoreel is considered indecent and blasphemous material, and Captain Hanaya was following the protocol that has been established to deal with such matters.

Please understand that we are not without sympathy or understanding. When the slaves I have been given prove that they understand the depth of the crime they committed, they will be released into the care of their corporation's leadership.

Blasphemy of this nature is a serious charge, and I do not doubt that we all wish this matter to be concluded as swiftly as possible.



It has been my experience that pain and humiliation will eventually make anyone say whatever you wish them to say. But Im sure your people will torture and humiliate them into submission with the uttermost sympathy and understanding.


As for the alleged "serious charge" of defamation of character all I have to say is "yawn". Typical Amarrian behaviour to bully into submission those who do not share proper "reverence" for the Amarrian faith. Or in other words more bullying by Amarr zealots who continue to believe that faith is a virtue.

Out of curiosity, exactly how were these 15 found out? I assume they were not "entertaining" themselves with the material in public so how were they prosecuted? Black bags over their heads in the middle of the night? Taken from their beds? Shoved before a judge and informed of their "guilt"?


Honestly the only thing that irritates me more than the Amarrian "faith" in their capsuler queen is their need to brag about their "justice" in public forums.



PS: Im currently staying in Fora Imperial Academy at the moment if anyone wishes to join me for a private screening of the aforementioned "blasphemy" aboard my ship latter tonight. Free admission. BYO food/drinks.
Your move zealot.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-06-26 21:57:49 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
You don't have to like it.
Well, I was asking Makkal whether she likes it.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#60 - 2012-06-27 05:21:02 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Just one question; will the executions be broadcast?


The execution (singular) will likely be broadcast on the Planetary Network for Shinsuru. If you're in the system and have a strong enough receiver, you might be able to pick it up.


So... let me make sure I have this straight; showing a human being getting killed live and in high-definition, is fine in the Kingdom but, it's not fine to show humans engaging in consensual sexual activity?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.