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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1081 - 2012-06-22 12:59:24 UTC
Amarr Ian wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:
It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail.

Tell us more about this ... "epic fail".



Just re-read the first post in this thread Roll

I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate.


What's there to explain?

How about "what the ... 'epic fail' is"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Gul'gotha Derv'ash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1082 - 2012-06-22 13:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gul'gotha Derv'ash
I hope there are some actual repercussions for the massive abuse of in game systems. This is just ridiculous.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#1083 - 2012-06-22 13:04:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
so? Where is the Dev post that says: "Using Macro to acquire large stacks of items you otherwise need 14 hours of clicking for is allowed?"

I guess you didn't scroll down and read the quote, then, because it outlines precisely what is and isn't allowed?


You mean the GM saying:

"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"

fits perfectly here:
guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....

thanks Sir
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1084 - 2012-06-22 13:07:05 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:
It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail.

Tell us more about this ... "epic fail".



Just re-read the first post in this thread Roll

I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate.


See... a Goon posted, therefore.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Vokanic
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1085 - 2012-06-22 13:07:22 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well best GM reply I could find.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=889308#post889308

Its not really a perfect judgement because obviously automating a mouse click followed by a "enter" is not really complex - but it is automating a process that would not require you to be at your keyboard for 14 hours.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1517044#post1517044

Macros that slow down acquisition are within the rules. Also goons saying they use macros isn't exactly proof..
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1086 - 2012-06-22 13:07:45 UTC
Alain Kinsella wrote:
Thank you for a couple hours of interesting reading. corestwo had been acting even slyer than usual in -lounge so I figured something was still up. :-)

I'm not going to weigh in on either side. I made it very clear a while back that I've had my experience with SA back in SL, and the rest of y'all can duke it out this time. :-p

I *am* waiting to see what Screegs will say though. *That* will be a popcorn moment for sure, forget this here.


I constantly troll him for hanging in that terrible channel. However, it's been pretty funny at times getting the running commentary when we go after one of the scc residents and get live feedback in there. So I guess him hanging there brings some value.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1087 - 2012-06-22 13:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
You mean the GM saying:

"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"

fits perfectly here:
guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....

thanks Sir

Oh, so you're assuming he presses a single key and the keyboard just keeps looping through a purchasing loop, so they could leave the machine for 14 hours?

That explains a lot.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1088 - 2012-06-22 13:10:55 UTC
Amarr Ian wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:
It doesn't matter how much isk he has. Its the fact of the massive post for an epic fail.

Tell us more about this ... "epic fail".



Just re-read the first post in this thread Roll

I'm not understanding what the "epic fail" is there. Please elucidate.


What's there to explain?


I wish I could report people for using "epic fail". Oh well, I guess I'll just have to settle for trolling, contentless posts, going off topic and inciting others to go offtopic as well.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1089 - 2012-06-22 13:11:29 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
You mean the GM saying:

"If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed,"

fits perfectly here:
guy uses a macro for not sitting at his keyboard clicking for 14 hours....

thanks Sir

Oh, so you're assuming he presses a single key and the keyboard just keeps looping through a purchasing loop, so they could leave the machine for 14 hours?

That explains a lot.


You know what happens when someone assumes.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1090 - 2012-06-22 13:11:38 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
I wish I could report people for using "epic fail". Oh well, I guess I'll just have to settle for trolling, contentless posts, going off topic and inciting others to go offtopic as well.


deadtear for eve-o mod

(oh god no)

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1091 - 2012-06-22 13:12:45 UTC
oh god yes

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1092 - 2012-06-22 13:13:57 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
oh god yes


shift key 3d r/o

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Dark Assassin15
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1093 - 2012-06-22 13:15:20 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx

[img]http://www.invokemethod.com/repo/failedsig.png[/img]

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1094 - 2012-06-22 13:17:31 UTC
Dark Assassin15 wrote:
Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx


they'd just have to placate themselves with the gigantic amounts of ISK they already had

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1095 - 2012-06-22 13:18:28 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
oh god yes


shift key 3d r/o

:smith:

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1096 - 2012-06-22 13:19:24 UTC
Dark Assassin15 wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.


Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx


These forums deserve a higher class of troll.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Harbonah
Short Bus Window Licker
#1097 - 2012-06-22 13:21:01 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Public threats without public execution is shameful. I want to see the equivilant of the goon's being put in the stocks on public display so I can throw rotten fruit at them. I'd like to see a Concord wanted page added to main page. This page should have the names of EVE Criminals, how much they duped/exploited in ISK and their punishment on public display. Sort of like the criminal photos you see in your hometown newspaper. It would be fitting since they like to rub CCP's mistakes in their face.

On another note: Kudos to the genius that thought this plan up. Requires planning on a scale not typically used outside corporate or military circles.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1098 - 2012-06-22 13:21:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Dark Assassin15 wrote:
Can i get the goons QQ mails when you fix the bank, plxandthnkx


they'd just have to placate themselves with the gigantic amounts of ISK they already had


Instead of swimming in their pile of isk the size of Mt. Everest they'll just have to settle for the Matterhorn.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1099 - 2012-06-22 13:24:15 UTC
My eve guy literally swims in a Scrooge McDuck style vault of isk

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1100 - 2012-06-22 13:25:33 UTC
while we're on the subject: ccp please make it an option to buy multiples of a lp item

datacores will be artificially high forever just due to the hours of click-enterclick-enter you need to do

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.