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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#881 - 2012-06-22 11:00:29 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Well, seeing as you are likely to lose most of the isk you 'earnt' my advice to go Jita and mess up the Price of plex just for fun before they take it all the isk away from you and leave oyu with negative wallets


it's called 'restraint'

However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#882 - 2012-06-22 11:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Skippermonkey wrote:
However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it


you're aware that this only involved 5 dudes, not the entire GSF, right?

also since when do you determine CCP's position?

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Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#883 - 2012-06-22 11:02:20 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
I wonder why CCP aren't heralding yet another "awesome player driven event by Goonswarm!" this time? Will heads roll at CCP over this? That would be a sad turn of events, IMHO.

Did Mittens and co just throw CCP "under the bus" for a bit of post Fanfest/CSM election fiasco payback or is this a deflection strategy over the Inferno 1.1 war dec change drama. /me adjusts tinfoil hat P

How many alts could you create with the profit to influence the outcome of, say, CSM8? Twisted


This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here.


So noted and I stand corrected.

Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?
Sweetss
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#884 - 2012-06-22 11:03:01 UTC
Whats funny is that Goons try to verbally beat down everyone else, creating their own cute little term for them (pubbies), yet in actual fact they are pubbies who roleplay being moronic idiots. They post a thread about ruining everyones life and then all respond to each other congratualting themselves and calling each other sociopaths etc. (aka that lame Vile Rat ponce's response at the start).

Outside of EvE they are no doubt about as sociopathic as my pet hamster Terrence. Mittani being the biggest role-playing pubbie there is. He absolutely LIVES his little sociopathic image. Quite the "sad little nobody" ego.
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE
Doomheim
#885 - 2012-06-22 11:03:08 UTC
If you need to launder some of those shiny Stabber Fleets or anything please contract them to me, k thanks, much appreciated.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#886 - 2012-06-22 11:03:45 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?


You're reading too much into this. We don't have to distance ourselves from their actions.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#887 - 2012-06-22 11:03:47 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
I wonder why CCP aren't heralding yet another "awesome player driven event by Goonswarm!" this time? Will heads roll at CCP over this? That would be a sad turn of events, IMHO.

Did Mittens and co just throw CCP "under the bus" for a bit of post Fanfest/CSM election fiasco payback or is this a deflection strategy over the Inferno 1.1 war dec change drama. /me adjusts tinfoil hat P

How many alts could you create with the profit to influence the outcome of, say, CSM8? Twisted


This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here.


So noted and I stand corrected.

Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?


Distancing ourselves? Is this some silly legalese garbage where somebody can't point to something that happened and say "holy **** that was awesome" ?
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#888 - 2012-06-22 11:04:33 UTC
Sweetss wrote:
Whats funny is that Goons try to verbally beat down everyone else, creating their own cute little term for them (pubbies), yet in actual fact they are pubbies who roleplay being moronic idiots. They post a thread about ruining everyones life and then all respond to each other congratualting themselves and calling each other sociopaths etc. (aka that lame Vile Rat ponce's response at the start).

Outside of EvE they are no doubt about as sociopathic as my pet hamster Terrence. Mittani being the biggest role-playing pubbie there is. He absolutely LIVES his little sociopathic image. Quite the "sad little nobody" ego.


No you don't understand, Aryth is really a sociopath. Not even because of this either.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#889 - 2012-06-22 11:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
Vile rat wrote:
If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

We'd be much more convinced of your 'best intentions' if they figoured out the exploit and immediately informed CCP.

Instead, you (rather impressively may i add) exploited the game mechanics to basically create your own isk printing press.

Dont act like you are some white knights here to save EVE from all that is broken.

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#890 - 2012-06-22 11:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
Richard Desturned wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it


you're aware that this only involved 5 dudes, not the entire GSF, right?

also since when do you determine CCP's position?


yes

anymore questions?

edit - i dont dictate CCPs position. I thought that was already pretty clear

sreegs wrote:
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch

underlined and bolded for you

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#891 - 2012-06-22 11:07:58 UTC
"Yeah we'll just take the money they earned legitimately...because there was too much of it."

Sounds legit Sreegs

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#892 - 2012-06-22 11:08:38 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
If CCP remove the profits of this venture from Goons, will they also retroactively remove the profits from the guy who posted about how he built tens of thousands of battleships, insured them and then destroyed them for a profit? (this was before the insurance nerf)


IIRC that guy seems to have "fallen" into RMT of that ISK so in a certain way... it's been removed even if not for the insurance fraud.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#893 - 2012-06-22 11:09:01 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it


you're aware that this only involved 5 dudes, not the entire GSF, right?

also since when do you determine CCP's position?


yes

anymore questions?


So you're saying that you determine CCP's position on these matters?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#894 - 2012-06-22 11:09:29 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

We'd be much more convinced of your 'best intentions' if they figoured out the exploit and immediately informed CCP.

Instead, you (rather impressively may i add) exploited the game mechanics to basically create your own isk printing press.

Dont act like you are some white knights here to save EVE from all that is broken.

No isk was printed.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#895 - 2012-06-22 11:09:35 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

First...nicely played (quite some brains there in goonwaffe)...in a world with no consequences it would be at least

BUT

From the public twitter thing to the 175 000 $ (?) this thing probably went to far...not only for the mastermind who obviously was getting an unpleasent sensation in the course of the action...somewhere at least.
It probably occurs to more people than just me that this looks like an emergency brake? (the CCP puncturis tweet?)

This is kind of detrimental to CCP´s buissnes. if really hundrets of trillions or billions or whatever of isk were generated and distributed....well a lot of accounts do not have to pay in real life money for game time for quite some time.

The reactions from CCP will be interesting (Although they do not have a choice really, do they...)

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#896 - 2012-06-22 11:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vile rat
Skippermonkey wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

We'd be much more convinced of your 'best intentions' if they figoured out the exploit and immediately informed CCP.

Instead, you (rather impressively may i add) exploited the game mechanics to basically create your own isk printing press.

Dont act like you are some white knights here to save EVE from all that is broken.

You mention about how they wanted to avoid 'screwing the economy', well, they might have very well done that anyway.


As soon as they discovered the flaw in the economy and did a proof of concept they contacted stoffer immediately. If you guys think they ran some sort of month long abuse ring you are simply devoid of the facts.


Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#897 - 2012-06-22 11:10:29 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
However you think this is going to play out, CCP arent going to let you keep all that money, so you best have fun with it while you still have it


you're aware that this only involved 5 dudes, not the entire GSF, right?

also since when do you determine CCP's position?


yes

anymore questions?


So you're saying that you determine CCP's position on these matters?


read my above post... you replied faster than i could edit my post

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#898 - 2012-06-22 11:10:50 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved?


You're reading too much into this. We don't have to distance ourselves from their actions.


Yes you do. Again read the first pages of this thread all the Goons jumping in to pat themselves on the back , Now its nothing to do with you, how does that work ?

Tal


Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#899 - 2012-06-22 11:11:17 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
This is kind of detrimental to CCP´s buissnes. if really hundrets of trillions or billions or whatever of isk were generated and distributed....well a lot of accounts do not have to pay in real life money for game time for quite some time.


Another 'PLEX come out of thin air' post.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#900 - 2012-06-22 11:11:25 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Also let me be perfectly blut here. There was no bug abuse

looks like abuse of the game to me
http://i.imgur.com/dtMk4.png

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION