EVE General Discussion

Sometimes people find ways to use the systems in game in unexpected ways. In a game as complicated as Eve, that's pretty much inevitable.

Take jetcan mining. Jetcans were never intended to be used that way, but people did and CCP let it stay in game. Noone was banned for using jetcans that way or had their ore taken away.

Other times an unexpected use of a mechanism is too unbalanced and gets removed - like when you could buy Pax Amarria from NPCs and refine it into cheapish nocxium. The mechanism was removed, but noone was banned or had their nocxium removed for using this mechanism.

Some people bought tons of PI materials when they predicted that prices would skyrocket when NPCs stopped selling them. Again, noone has had their ISK taken away or been banned for this.

I believe it would be a first if CCP were to ban people for taking advantage of an in-game market mechanic, no matter how broken, and/or take their ISK (or in this case, LP rewards) away.

But hey - there's a first for everything I guess.

But it's interesting to me that a lot of the market "exploits" that have been done over time all involve NPCs either buying or selling stuff at fixed, non-market prices with unlimited demand/supply. Maybe there's a lesson here that we can learn from.

At the very beginning. Unless everyone else who slow-clapped in this thread is also involved.

Also the **** didn't "hit the fan" when the NPC alts started wagging their fingers at the "general membership."

If CCP remove the profits of this venture from Goons, will they also retroactively remove the profits from the guy who posted about how he built tens of thousands of battleships, insured them and then destroyed them for a profit? (this was before the insurance nerf)

How about the people who made obscene profits (possibly totally even more than 5Tn) from the horribly botched P.I. introduction?

What about the BoB members who used to rake in billions a week using titans to bridge freighter-loads of NPC goods from Delve for unbelievable profits?

-----Edit----- not allot of NPC alts till CCP came in to comment .

Tal

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It's a clear case of abuse, but the consequenses are still up in air. Outsmarting the devs isn't a defense. It's what every exploiter or abuser does succesfully. The only thing in question is what are the consequenses. To me this is similar to the infinite tracking abuse that happened in specific wormholes some time ago. The mechanics worked as they were designed, but created a situation where you could break the system and gain excessive benefits because of it. I believe the consequense was removal of assets CCP thought was fair to remove. I suspect something similar will happen here.

The people who did this also acted against how CCP has adviced people act in similar situations. IIRC it was posted at least in one of the forum exploit devblogs made by Sreegs. The basic gist of it was, that you're supposed to report it to CCP in detail with reproduction steps and not use the exploit once you have discovered it for any reason. A specific example of what not to do was to report it, but continuing to use it. What actually will happen to them is up to CCP to decide based on the actual details of the case, but there are clear precedences where people who acted in similar fashion have suffered from CCP actions against them.

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Well, seeing as you are likely to lose most of the isk you 'earnt' my advice to go Jita and mess up the Price of plex just for fun before they take it all the isk away from you and leave oyu with negative wallets

If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue.

It seems positions are now clear.