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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#601 - 2012-06-22 00:10:34 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Sizeof Void wrote:
I believe that this is the applicable section from the Terms of Service, aka Rules of Conduct:

While you're the first person to realize the eula incorporates those I prefer rule 26, which basically states "we can ban anyone at any time for any reason or no reason"

Yeah, I'm pretty fond of that particular rule, myself. Although, I've never heard of it actually being used in the "no reason" case.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#602 - 2012-06-22 00:10:56 UTC
And the posts from all the internet lawyers dissecting the EULA and TOS are hilarious. Those documents are flimsy justifications that CCP can use to cover their butts. Catch-alls if you will. Your opinion on what is applicable to these activities are just that, opinions, and are utterly irrelevant.

CCP will make the final call here. Quit quoting parts of a document the average pubbie lacks the literacy or intelligence to even understand.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
CPT Plahnut
Perkone
Caldari State
#603 - 2012-06-22 00:17:51 UTC
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#604 - 2012-06-22 00:20:09 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
I believe that this is the applicable section from the Terms of Service, aka Rules of Conduct:

23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.

Note that the general definition of a software "bug" is not limited to coding errors, but includes design errors, as well. In CCP's case, anything that CCP decides to be an "exploit" and for which they implement a code fix is considered a "bug", with regards to this section of the TOS. Also, note that CCP makes no distinction between exploiting a bug before or after it is discovered and announced by CCP - ie. exploiting a bug at any time is considered to be a no-no.

In the past, CCP has been rather strict about exploit violations. They end up costing RL money in terms of dev time to fix any damages, and it usually isn't good business to encourage players to look for and exploit similar bugs in future releases.


I guess they'd best go back and ban everyone who took advantage of insurance fraud, then. Or everyone who took advantage of NPC sell orders for PI. Or...

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#605 - 2012-06-22 00:20:53 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....


Let's keep finding more EULA clauses that have nothing to do with what happened here

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#606 - 2012-06-22 00:22:14 UTC
corestwo wrote:

I guess they'd best go back and ban everyone who took advantage of insurance fraud, then. Or everyone who took advantage of NPC sell orders for PI. Or...


But only if they're goons.

That's the underlying thread in all these posts referencing the EULA and TOS. If the folks that pulled this off hadn't been goons there wouldn't be nearly as much jealousy.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#607 - 2012-06-22 00:22:53 UTC
blowing up your own stuff for profit, sounds a lot like self destructing battleships for insurance payouts :D

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Maggie Maggie
Perkone
Caldari State
#608 - 2012-06-22 00:22:55 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....


That's the "thou shalt not send a petition" clause.
Bhock
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#609 - 2012-06-22 00:24:13 UTC
This is a smart use of game mechanics. Perverted, like any market manipulation, but smart.

Congratulations Goons for having such good masterminds... this is not a bug exploit, as manipulating the market pricing is not a bug as it can be manipulated by anyone with enough money (and there are a lot of traders doing this daily).

So I'll stay tuned for your next clever use of the sandbox principle.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#610 - 2012-06-22 00:25:40 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
And the posts from all the internet lawyers dissecting the EULA and TOS are hilarious. Those documents are flimsy justifications that CCP can use to cover their butts. Catch-alls if you will. Your opinion on what is applicable to these activities are just that, opinions, and are utterly irrelevant.

CCP will make the final call here. Quit quoting parts of a document the average pubbie lacks the literacy or intelligence to even understand.

Actually, this is also covered by Section 2D of the EULA:

CCP may establish Rules of Conduct for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct.

And, for the record, any "average pubbie" has the ability to read and understand any contract, despite the unnecessary legal mumble jumble. You certainly don't need much in the way of smarts, skills or ambition to become a lawyer - except perhaps the desire to make a lot of money as a parasite (admittedly, this does have some appeal, at times).
SeaBassSA
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#611 - 2012-06-22 00:28:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ninlarra wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
irl, not just in eve


Eve, yea sure why not, it means nothing.

IRL I doubt it, but I'm not going to waste my time going tit or tat with you on an obscure forum about a game a couple of hundred thousand people play. Point is, in the grand scheme of things, w/e you do is completely irrelevant, cuase your space gold will soon be gone, and your account well soon be ban hammered.

Good day space hero. I'm sure your mom thinks you're cool though.

heh the "it's just a game", "you're irrelevant" and the "your mom" post, all in one.


It's the holy trinity of butt-hurt.
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#612 - 2012-06-22 00:30:27 UTC
Did we get banned for playing within the bad game mechanics yet?
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#613 - 2012-06-22 00:36:35 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
And the posts from all the internet lawyers dissecting the EULA and TOS are hilarious. Those documents are flimsy justifications that CCP can use to cover their butts. Catch-alls if you will. Your opinion on what is applicable to these activities are just that, opinions, and are utterly irrelevant.

CCP will make the final call here. Quit quoting parts of a document the average pubbie lacks the literacy or intelligence to even understand.


You broke the rules. I just point everyone who think your move was clever to that simple fact.

I am also upset that your move has the power to disrupt/break the Minni-LP-Store (If not the Amar-Minni FW at all) for the foreseable future, if CCP does not do something to reverse their mistake.

What happens now with you is in the hands of CCP, on that fact you are right.

Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#614 - 2012-06-22 00:39:42 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....


Welp no more burn Jita I guess. OH WAIT.
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#615 - 2012-06-22 00:39:52 UTC
Oh joy. More self-congratulation by the Goons. I guess you guys haven't had enough attention this week.
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#616 - 2012-06-22 00:40:32 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....

stop posting, your ****** posts take up bandwidth which CCP has to pay for, you're a disgusting blight on the forums and definitely a negative influence on overall enjoyment (my posts on the other hand bring enjoyment to all). According to your clause you should be banned forever and you're probably fat IRL!

guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#617 - 2012-06-22 00:41:39 UTC
I would post the amazing song 'breaking the rules' but we didn't actually break any rules so,

guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#618 - 2012-06-22 00:43:02 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Oh joy. More self-congratulation by the Goons. I guess you guys haven't had enough attention this week.


I admit I was feeling a bit left out but you just filled up my meter. Thanks Bro!
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#619 - 2012-06-22 00:45:03 UTC
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#620 - 2012-06-22 00:46:07 UTC
A nice summary of the majority of the pubbie posts in this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRdmAscQbDg