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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Dave Stark
#561 - 2012-06-21 23:26:45 UTC
Thomas Ardenvald wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Goons really rustled my jimmies.



I haven't seen imageshack in years.

it's late at night and that's the first uploady thing that came to mind.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#562 - 2012-06-21 23:26:51 UTC
Maggie Maggie wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
from Eula:

"3. You may not use (((your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other))) patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."


what you did Goons, is a direct violation of the Eula. In my personal view that does not matter much you gained by a specific game play items at an accelerated rate when compared to ordinary game play.

If you get away with this, well, such is life :)


What could be more ordinary than buying and selling items, interacting with an LP store, and blowing up spaceships?


the rate at which you did it is not ordinary, and you and every other eve-player knows that. And thats why are you so happy at the moment.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#563 - 2012-06-21 23:27:32 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:

the rate at which you did it is not ordinary, and you and every other eve-player knows that. And thats why are you so happy at the moment.

"you may not use x, to gain y" does not ban y

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#564 - 2012-06-21 23:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Richard Desturned wrote:
Ninlarra wrote:
I made 12 billion isk off your work.


cool, he made several hundred times that from his work


Yup, and from the most recent newsfeed from CCP about 12 hours ago, when the investigation is over, I would have made 12 billion times what he made from his work.-----Edit-----

Post edited.
No personal attacks, please.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#565 - 2012-06-21 23:28:06 UTC
this is why a poor ratting bot will get you banned while scamming a dumb pubbie will not, despite one gaining isk at a much more rapid rate

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#566 - 2012-06-21 23:28:12 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
i gain money at an accelerated rate doing nothing by having items that will appreciate in value sitting in my hangar

i do not fear getting sreeged for this



its not the acceleration rate or whatever we two can think about, its just what CCP decides is appropriate....
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#567 - 2012-06-21 23:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
What the point of this therad? Goons use expolit or somthing like this, now they rich but still using rifters ?

If you rich is ok, i dont care, this wont impact on my game, well is nothing new here a lot very rich alliances, since years.
Leon Vinisius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#568 - 2012-06-21 23:29:45 UTC
This makes me think of the South Park episode where the World of Warcraft character becomes really powerful.
Maybe they can buy a "REAL LIFE" account with all that ISK they made.
But based on the time and effort they have put into eve, i doubt they have played much of that recently, or ever.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#569 - 2012-06-21 23:29:47 UTC
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:

As for the way that you described it, indeed made it sounds as bad as it was. I think of it like the bounty system, only for FW and with LP instead of ISK,, and the ability to cheaply turn said LP into ISK, would that be a fair analogy?


It is insurance fraud + forex + market manipulation of the exchange rate.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#570 - 2012-06-21 23:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mabego Tetrimon
Aryth wrote:
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:

As for the way that you described it, indeed made it sounds as bad as it was. I think of it like the bounty system, only for FW and with LP instead of ISK,, and the ability to cheaply turn said LP into ISK, would that be a fair analogy?


It is insurance fraud + forex + market manipulation of the exchange rate.


no its a direct violation of Eula.

"3. You may not use patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

And the propaganda here in the forum is all about not getting the ban hammer for this.

And with that i ll go and play my beloved EVE now.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#571 - 2012-06-21 23:31:40 UTC
Leon Vinisius wrote:
This makes me think of the South Park episode where the World of Warcraft character becomes really powerful.
Maybe they can buy a real life account with all that ISK they made.
But based on the time and effort they have put into eve, i doubt they have played much of that recently, or ever.

you know, once when advising newbies on how to make money I explained it as "you can either make money by doing work, or knowing more than everyone else. don't do work"

it seems to me a number of pubbies simply don't understand the second path to riches is an option: they see 'goons made absurd amounts of money' and assume absurd amounts of work were put into it

nope, just knowing more than everyone else

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#572 - 2012-06-21 23:32:59 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
no its a direct violation of Eula.

"3. You may not use patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."




wrong

the meaning of that phrase is given by all of the things preceding it, making it clear it bans botting and automation and nothing else, the phrase "patterns of play" is a catch-all that catches things like all the things listed and only like those

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#573 - 2012-06-21 23:33:57 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
the phrase "patterns of play" is a catch-all that catches things like all the things listed and only like those


Yes, and i hope CCP will get you on the eggs on that ;)
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#574 - 2012-06-21 23:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Weaselior wrote:
[quote=Leon Vinisius] nope, just knowing more than everyone else



------Edit-----

Post edited.
No personal attacks, please.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#575 - 2012-06-21 23:35:17 UTC
If you discover a new exploit, do you get to keep the dough?


Anyways I don't see why this thread has racked up this many posts. So you punks found an exploit? Buy yourselves a cookie.

I can has blogging skills!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#576 - 2012-06-21 23:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Ninlarra wrote:
[quote=Weaselior][quote=Leon Vinisius] nope, just knowing more than everyone else



-----Edit-----

i probably make enough money to buy and sell you several times

Post edited.
Please, do not quote inappropriate posts.


ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#577 - 2012-06-21 23:35:51 UTC
irl, not just in eve

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
#578 - 2012-06-21 23:36:30 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:

As for the way that you described it, indeed made it sounds as bad as it was. I think of it like the bounty system, only for FW and with LP instead of ISK,, and the ability to cheaply turn said LP into ISK, would that be a fair analogy?


It is insurance fraud + forex + market manipulation of the exchange rate.



ahh I see
Monica Lesture
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#579 - 2012-06-21 23:37:06 UTC
I can only hope Blawrf McTaggart got a big slice of that ISK so he dont has to buy ISK from shady websides any longer like in his early EVE days Lol
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#580 - 2012-06-21 23:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Hm maybe this therad is about CCP under blackmailing, we can, you cant because is a santbox, we laugh hard, do anything and you lose 9000 subscriptions... We win eve... Still i dont get it what a point here.