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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Gallente Federation
#321 - 2012-06-21 19:11:41 UTC
Just kidding, Sreegs, we still love you, but try not to draw comparisons to bank errors and intentional market manipulation because it's a terrible analogy, TIA

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#322 - 2012-06-21 19:11:46 UTC
Aznwithbeard wrote:
You guys do realize this is just a game right? and your plotting and trolling and "rolling in 300 trillions of isk" is just you like, playing a video game?

Its sad that you put all this effort into a game and not IRL.


Just saying.

for many of us, thinking is not hard work

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#323 - 2012-06-21 19:11:52 UTC
Aryth wrote:


I was already a trillionare even before this. I have only used plex for my subs for many years.


You didn't answer my question though.
Can you enter multiple plex's one after another and not have to look at it for say 6 months or a year or ten years.

How many can you build up before the system says no more ?

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Mai Amarr Waifu
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#324 - 2012-06-21 19:11:54 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:

The majority of complaints had nothing to do with the fact that the Minmatar held 56 systems beforehand and had everything to do with the act that things were a ridiculously broken uphill grind due to the goon manipulations. The fact that as CSM you refused to look into things further and are content to just dismiss Amarr complaints that things were broken as just being the "losers" whining is sad especially when a lot of the people bringing up these concerns were new players to FW providing relatively neutral input.

You still seem to be in denial over the impact of the manipulations, it way overincentivized having a Minmatar LP farming alt, which should have been a red flag. The disparity in LP payouts as a whole was fairly demoralizing for the Amarr FW side especially with the ease at which Minmatar maintained high T4/borderline T5 control at all times. If you guys are able to get up to T5 on your own then kudos, but seriously, as CSM you need to get more in tune with the realities of FW and quit drinking your own kool-aid.


le +1
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#325 - 2012-06-21 19:12:20 UTC
This reminds me of CDS, except CCP seems willing to fix things the right way.

Nyan
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#326 - 2012-06-21 19:12:32 UTC
I didn't really bother to read this thread but I blame the ********** and their damned taxes.

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Andrej Tierce
Tierce Inc.
#327 - 2012-06-21 19:13:32 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Look, I don't like goonswarm either but I also don't like people who use the term "exploit" wrongly (which is basically in advance of CCP game developers / gms ruling a situation "an exploit" - The developer in question "CCP Sreegs" has come and posted he's conducting an investigation and will make his mind up after he's looked at all the facts.

Give the guy a chance for heavens sake and don't go howling "exploit exploit" before something is officially categorized an "exploit" ... only very stupid people do that.

Quote:
An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw including glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.


Aryth wrote:
FW turned out to have a bug that rewarded LP for both dropped and exploded cargo, doubling the rewards.

They knew it was a bug, they used for their gain.
And I'm pretty sure the market manipulation for profiting through FW payouts was not an intended game mechanic.

I can only go by what I know from other games. And anywhere else this would be sanctionable.


But at the end of the day it doesn't affect me, so I don't give a damn.
Gun Gal
Dark Club
#328 - 2012-06-21 19:14:49 UTC
One day the whipped employees of CCP will grow a pair and ban goonswarm.

Sad when a group of people set out to ruin a game, and actually are ruining it for their enjoyment and CAP is too clueless to do anything bout it.
Nyrak
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#329 - 2012-06-21 19:15:25 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Nyrak wrote:
Ironic how CCP Soundwave was all for cutting out research points for us little folks since he saw it as too easy of a passive income to give to Factional Warfare as a reward. I wonder what he thinks now?

He did predict that FW would break somehow during an interview with TenTonHammer. If I recall, he even said he WANTED it to break.

Probably not quite what he had in mind, but there you go.


Bummer - broken toys in the sandbox, but after reading this forum for a while, I guess it is expected.

Thank you for the answer.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#330 - 2012-06-21 19:17:26 UTC
I wonder how many people actually read the OP. Probably less than 2% of the GD dwellers.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#331 - 2012-06-21 19:17:35 UTC
Quote:
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions.


I never posted anything of the sort.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#332 - 2012-06-21 19:17:40 UTC
Hats off to you guys.

And thanks for letting off so we can now faceroll Minmatar into obscurity.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#333 - 2012-06-21 19:18:20 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
corestwo wrote:
its not like anything is happening there anymore.


Well, according to killboards nothing has happened in that entire constellation - for the past 4 months.

corestwo wrote:
ps - there are no kills posted because we took steps to make sure they didn't get posted.


Riiiiight. I believe you. Blink


I guess those blue posts confirming it just means that we're trolling you and CCP is just participating in the trolling, right? Roll

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#334 - 2012-06-21 19:18:37 UTC
Andrej Tierce wrote:

But at the end of the day it doesn't affect me, so I don't give a damn.


Unless you want +5 implants, in which case, you're welcome.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#335 - 2012-06-21 19:19:11 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions.


I never posted anything of the sort.

when does your sub run out, just so we can know for sure

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Pyrus Octavius
Flat Earth Believers
#336 - 2012-06-21 19:19:26 UTC
Mme Pinkerton wrote:
Pyrus Octavius wrote:
My personal feeling regardless is, any gains made in this fashion should be confiscated. I don't think I care about bans, but the gains be taken away. I'm not a market guru what so ever, and even though someone said in here that the market would return to normal in 30 days, the whole system was manipulated, and this hurts innocent bystanders, whom will never get their ISK back.

what are you going to do about the 20m I saved when buying a +5 implant because goons had crashed that market?


Nothing? Because I don't have the authority to do anything. Next question.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#337 - 2012-06-21 19:19:28 UTC
Andrej Tierce wrote:

They knew it was a bug, they used for their gain.
And I'm pretty sure the market manipulation for profiting through FW payouts was not an intended game mechanic.

I can only go by what I know from other games. And anywhere else this would be sanctionable.


But at the end of the day it doesn't affect me, so I don't give a damn.


It wasn't so much a bug as a bonus; they realized they were essentially allowing FW people to have their cake and eat it, too, so they cut back on it.

And this is simply coupling two perfectly valid game mechanics: FW LP stores, and market manipulation. Both are 100% legal and MM is a time-honored eve mechanic.

Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#338 - 2012-06-21 19:20:28 UTC
Really anyone who consumes implants or any sort of invention based good that requires the 5 Minmatar flavor cores should be thanking us

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#339 - 2012-06-21 19:20:43 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
Don't you unsub like every other week because goons did a thing? I can swear you said the same **** for burn jita and the gallente ice interdictions.


I never posted anything of the sort.

Oh, right, it was "if CCP doesn't permaban mittani I quit"


My mistake. We've done so much rage-inducing **** to the EVE playerbase in the last 6 months it's hard to keep track of all the trolls.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#340 - 2012-06-21 19:20:44 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.

I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it.


https://twitter.com/EVEAryth/status/215233678631116801

any comments?


good to know you stalk every goonswarm director's twitter lol

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration