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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2101 - 2012-06-23 05:42:55 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Paint wrote:

The real comedy here is no goons are upset at all. Only a handful are involved.

The real fun is poking idiot pond scum pubbies like yourself with a stick because you are too stupid to understand what is actually going on.


What I understand is that goonswarm have again succeeded in making themselves look like assholes and CCP look spineless in the public eye.

Again.

I'll just point out that you guys are playing a very stupid, and very dangerous game, for you. Eventually, someone at CCP is going to find themselves in a position where it's gonna be a choice between their job and giving goonswarm the heavy end of the hammer.

And I anticipate much tears and threadnaughts when they make their decision, because I doubt that you're going to like it.


Yeah but, again, the LAST TIME it was "somebody's job" or the game integrity, nothing happened and T20 left all on his own.
It WONT HAPPEN

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2102 - 2012-06-23 05:43:20 UTC
Xython wrote:
You are intentionally missing the point. This is not about the "exploited" materials being seized. CCP is also seizing unrelated funds and resources. This would be like getting a warning for speeding and coming home to find your house impounded.

I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in reality, actually. In fact it probably has somewhere.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Elysium Foxx
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2103 - 2012-06-23 05:43:43 UTC

I doubt CCP would deem blowing up your own freighters filled with literally billions of ISK worth of loot to work the game mechanics for personal gain as "working as intended".

Should the mechanics have been tested better - they were probably tested adequately enough and i'm sure CCP were aware of the possibility this could happen - but they prob assumed that outliers in this magnitude would not be taken advantage of....
That was their mistake.

Its not "breaking the sandbox" to reverse any gains made by a few highly dedicated, organized and intelligent players, and any players who have received a donation from it.

I think the only question CCP are contemplating is whether or not bans are required for knowing a game mechanic could be used in such a way and taking advantage of it instead of doing the "right" thing and filing a detailed bug report - including the "uber spreadsheet".

The funny thing is that the guys involved are now minus all the ISK they invested with no profit to show.... Only gain is street (forum) credit for pulling off the heist. Which is all they Probably care about anyway.

I think its pretty cool what they did - congratz guys. But CCP do need to take your sack of loot i'm afraid :(
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2104 - 2012-06-23 05:43:54 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I know you've love it. <3


I will admit that Paint's posts on the subject alone would be very humorous to read. I imagine that it would go something like:

'DAMMIT CCP! You promised us ETERNAL LIFE AND BIG TITTED NINJAS ON A PIKE! Why are you banning us! IT'S INCONCEIVABLE! We and WE ALONE dragged this game up out of the slime!'

What, they wouldn't forum ban us?

If you're going to go in that direction, go for the GOLD ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2105 - 2012-06-23 05:44:25 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

I know you've love it. <3


I will admit that Paint's posts on the subject alone would be very humorous to read. I imagine that it would go something like:

'DAMMIT CCP! You promised us ETERNAL LIFE AND BIG TITTED NINJAS ON A PIKE! Why are you banning us! IT'S INCONCEIVABLE! We and WE ALONE dragged this game up out of the slime!'


I would never make such a post, since, as you yourself claim, Mittani is essentially CCP at this point.

Oh the other hand you might just be a complete idiot.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2106 - 2012-06-23 05:44:34 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
And I anticipate much tears and threadnaughts when they make their decision, because I doubt that you're going to like it.


Yeah, we totally are in fear of CCP banning 7000+ players, most of which have at least 2 accounts, because some fusty boil-brained apple-john sockpuppet characters cried about us on the forums. Quaking in our boots. :)

Having said that, we actually do like CCP, we do love EVE, and we fight tooth and nail every day both to get new players to join, to make the experience memorable to those who "get it," and to keep the festering themepark fools from ruining the game we love.

Case in point: You guys might not remember killing your 10,000th Battleship Rat, but I can guarantee you you'll remember how Goons spun Faction Warfare into 5 trillion isk in a year.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2107 - 2012-06-23 05:44:48 UTC
Xython wrote:


Close. He stepped down from CSM6 knowing CSM7 was starting in a few days. CCP intentionally misread his post in order to suggest he was stepping down from CSM7 and, in a bit of a loophole, banned him at that time. Since they banned him at that exact time, he will be allowed to run for CSM8 -- which was very intentional on CCP's part.



Careful, thats lookin like that rumory instaban territory

oh yer a goon nvm then

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alex Skate
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2108 - 2012-06-23 05:46:16 UTC
Most of you are addicted like dirty whores. You(not all) wish you saw trillions in your wallet. Quite commical. SO many of you forget this is a game; Yet, so funny this is not a game to you(not all). It is your life, your breath, what you wake up to and what you go to before you sleep.

You may disagree or agree. One thing is certain: You will continue to play.

When the real world puts pressures and expectations on you with respect to this world, this is your escape or at least a place to waste your time.

Where shall you go? There is no place you can run. There is no place you can hide.

Your weakness betreys you.

Death becomes you.

You see all that you desire; however, so few of you will achieve that which you desire.

There are sheep, and there are wolves.

Even the wolves have no idea that they are being led to a slaughter.

Prey tell, oh do tell.


I am not excluded in that which I type.

Goodday/night--to you all.

-J
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2109 - 2012-06-23 05:46:17 UTC
Xython wrote:
Case in point: You guys might not remember killing your 10,000th Battleship Rat, but I can guarantee you you'll remember how Goons spun Faction Warfare into 5 trillion isk in a year.

Let's see, at a mil each, that would be when I made 10billion from battleships ...

... oh goodness I think I've passed 10,000 Battleship rats...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2110 - 2012-06-23 05:48:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Xython wrote:
Case in point: You guys might not remember killing your 10,000th Battleship Rat, but I can guarantee you you'll remember how Goons spun Faction Warfare into 5 trillion isk in a year.

Let's see, at a mil each, that would be when I made 10billion from battleships ...

... oh goodness I think I've passed 10,000 Battleship rats...


Depressing thought, isn't it?

I want more escalations. Different kinds of escalations. Dynamic anoms and complexes. CCP needs to hire a few interns and have them do nothing but design new anom layouts, darnit. I want to go to a Sanctum (haha, just kidding, no one does Sanctums anymore) and see 1 of 100 different layouts, each different.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2111 - 2012-06-23 05:49:21 UTC
Elysium Foxx wrote:

I doubt CCP would deem blowing up your own freighters filled with literally billions of ISK worth of loot to work the game mechanics for personal gain as "working as intended".

Should the mechanics have been tested better - they were probably tested adequately enough and i'm sure CCP were aware of the possibility this could happen - but they prob assumed that outliers in this magnitude would not be taken advantage of....
That was their mistake.

Its not "breaking the sandbox" to reverse any gains made by a few highly dedicated, organized and intelligent players, and any players who have received a donation from it.

I think the only question CCP are contemplating is whether or not bans are required for knowing a game mechanic could be used in such a way and taking advantage of it instead of doing the "right" thing and filing a detailed bug report - including the "uber spreadsheet".

The funny thing is that the guys involved are now minus all the ISK they invested with no profit to show.... Only gain is street (forum) credit for pulling off the heist. Which is all they Probably care about anyway.

I think its pretty cool what they did - congratz guys. But CCP do need to take your sack of loot i'm afraid :(


Well the question is; if random jaggoff went an found an infinite money loop, used it to make 9 trillion isk, then told CCP; what would happen?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2112 - 2012-06-23 05:49:23 UTC
Paint wrote:

Well we have been playing this game a very long time, this character, as an example, longer than you. So if KalMittani wants the blood of a few more Galente infants for his bath, who am I to say no?



No, paint, no you haven't. You played this game once, with that T20 business. And the people directly involved got permabanned. Back then, you had a lot more of us on your side, because, hey, we all hated BoB.


You seem to think that pissing off CCP = Playing EvE and it doesn't. Remember, this game is a sandbox until CCP says otherwise. Keep pissing them off. You think it's a pain when they take your assets? Wait till they start deleting characters.

They can, btw, do that, under the EULA.
sinqlaison
Capital Builders Inc.
#2113 - 2012-06-23 05:50:00 UTC
Must say that I find the OP who did this a bit puzzling.

On one hand it takes a lot of smarts to find out the loophole and to devise a manner to make a lot of ISK from it.

On the other hand it is plain stupid then to brag about it like they did, and run the risk of losing all their gains and more.

Guess a psychiatrist in our midst must be able to reconcile these contrasting elements of 1 person's personality

[u]AAA[/u]
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2114 - 2012-06-23 05:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
corestwo wrote:

"Cool things happened in the sandbox", which is what this was, is good PR. "Cool things happened in the sandbox, but then players got punished for their legitimate actions" which, while the official verdict is still out (no statement from CCP yet, after all), is how many players perceive it, is not such good PR. Blink



Not so much. Goons are being tied to The Mittani's fanfest affair and the word 'investigation' appears in a lot of them. So, no, not good PR.


Wait, so you mean we have a bad reputation in Eve? Well holy ****, we need to get on that, stat. Thanks for the heads up.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2115 - 2012-06-23 05:53:05 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Not so much. Goons are being tied to The Mittani's fanfest affair and the word 'investigation' appears in a lot of them. So, no, not good PR.

Wait, so you mean we have a bad reputation in Eve? Well holy ****, we need to get on that, stat. Thanks for the heads up.

My my, I guess they'll be jumping into VFK to attack us right?

Oh no, they'll wait for CCP to ban us all. Opps.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2116 - 2012-06-23 05:53:07 UTC
Alex Skate wrote:
Most of you are addicted like dirty whores. You(not all) wish you saw trillions in your wallet. Quite commical. SO many of you forget this is a game; Yet, so funny this is not a game to you(not all). It is your life, your breath, what you wake up to and what you go to before you sleep.

You may disagree or agree. One thing is certain: You will continue to play.

When the real world puts pressures and expectations on you with respect to this world, this is your escape or at least a place to waste your time.

Where shall you go? There is no place you can run. There is no place you can hide.



Sorry, I've found eve players running to both ToR and WoT and most of them like it better there than they do here. Mind you, it's the carebears to TOR and the PvPers to WoT, but... yeah, sorry, EvE ain't smack, and even if it was, I can get my fix elsewhere.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2117 - 2012-06-23 05:53:08 UTC
sinqlaison wrote:
Must say that I find the OP who did this a bit puzzling.

On one hand it takes a lot of smarts to find out the loophole and to devise a manner to make a lot of ISK from it.

On the other hand it is plain stupid then to brag about it like they did, and run the risk of losing all their gains and more.

Guess a psychiatrist in our midst must be able to reconcile these contrasting elements of 1 person's personality


Theyre not the first to do it nor are they the first to brag noe would they then be the first to not get punished tho I cant remember the guy that made the hundred plus thread about an exploit he found and the crusade ppl had to try and ban him

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2118 - 2012-06-23 05:53:35 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Elysium Foxx wrote:

I doubt CCP would deem blowing up your own freighters filled with literally billions of ISK worth of loot to work the game mechanics for personal gain as "working as intended".

Should the mechanics have been tested better - they were probably tested adequately enough and i'm sure CCP were aware of the possibility this could happen - but they prob assumed that outliers in this magnitude would not be taken advantage of....
That was their mistake.

Its not "breaking the sandbox" to reverse any gains made by a few highly dedicated, organized and intelligent players, and any players who have received a donation from it.

I think the only question CCP are contemplating is whether or not bans are required for knowing a game mechanic could be used in such a way and taking advantage of it instead of doing the "right" thing and filing a detailed bug report - including the "uber spreadsheet".

The funny thing is that the guys involved are now minus all the ISK they invested with no profit to show.... Only gain is street (forum) credit for pulling off the heist. Which is all they Probably care about anyway.

I think its pretty cool what they did - congratz guys. But CCP do need to take your sack of loot i'm afraid :(


Well the question is; if random jaggoff went an found an infinite money loop, used it to make 9 trillion isk, then told CCP; what would happen?



Good job on winning that ishtar bpo?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2119 - 2012-06-23 05:54:45 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Alex Skate wrote:
Most of you are addicted like dirty whores. You(not all) wish you saw trillions in your wallet. Quite commical. SO many of you forget this is a game; Yet, so funny this is not a game to you(not all). It is your life, your breath, what you wake up to and what you go to before you sleep.

You may disagree or agree. One thing is certain: You will continue to play.

When the real world puts pressures and expectations on you with respect to this world, this is your escape or at least a place to waste your time.

Where shall you go? There is no place you can run. There is no place you can hide.



Sorry, I've found eve players running to both ToR and WoT and most of them like it better there than they do here. Mind you, it's the carebears to TOR and the PvPers to WoT, but... yeah, sorry, EvE ain't smack, and even if it was, I can get my fix elsewhere.


You forgot Mechwarrior online where the Goons themselves are going.

Including notable ones

http://mwomercs.com/forums/user/22079-the-mittani/

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#2120 - 2012-06-23 05:54:56 UTC
Alex Skate wrote:
Most of you are addicted like dirty whores. You(not all) wish you saw trillions in your wallet. Quite commical. SO many of you forget this is a game; Yet, so funny this is not a game to you(not all). It is your life, your breath, what you wake up to and what you go to before you sleep.

You may disagree or agree. One thing is certain: You will continue to play.

When the real world puts pressures and expectations on you with respect to this world, this is your escape or at least a place to waste your time.

Where shall you go? There is no place you can run. There is no place you can hide.

Your weakness betreys you.

Death becomes you.

You see all that you desire; however, so few of you will achieve that which you desire.

There are sheep, and there are wolves.

Even the wolves have no idea that they are being led to a slaughter.

Prey tell, oh do tell.


I am not excluded in that which I type.

Goodday/night--to you all.

-J
Your drugs.

I wants them.