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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2012-06-24 21:16:45 UTC
People ... stop feeding the whiteknighting troll !

He just keeps switching topics and you fall for it !

Stop arguing with somebody who has less life than all of us together and lives in a fantasy world he calls reality,
which is totally disconnected from any natural form of existence.


Close this **** already.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-06-24 21:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: David Toviyah
How about you just stay out of this thread? You’ve been warned before.

Sobach wrote:
"In 2011, 5,381,636 kill reports were generated; that’s an average of 14,744 per day or one every 5.86 seconds. 65% of these kill reports were caused by damage inflicted by a player, whilst non-player controlled entities (from Serpentis to CONCORD) were responsible for the remaining 35%."

And how many of these 65% have to be accredited to duels, faction warfare and the like? Show me a number on that, bro, otherwise: cool story.

Sobach wrote:
[...], nor can it survive on its own as the main driver for the game.
[citation needed]

Sobach wrote:
There are plenty of games out there with consensual pvp (and I play some of them), but don't even try to turn EVE into yet another one of those just because you can't cope with it.
No.

RubyPorto wrote:
Every single one of those puts you in competition with other players. That means that, without their consent, by performing those actions, you are hurting other player's income. It's no different from someone podding you (the SP loss is so, totally your own fault).
I am not necessarily hurting their income. In fact, competition might even benefit some of them. Besides, don’t try to put that on the same level of robbery and murder, you jokester.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#163 - 2012-06-24 21:28:34 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:
Every single one of those puts you in competition with other players. That means that, without their consent, by performing those actions, you are hurting other player's income. It's no different from someone podding you (the SP loss is so, totally your own fault).
I am not necessarily hurting their income. In fact, competition might even benefit some of them. Besides, don’t try to put that on the same level of robbery and murder, you jokester.


In PvE activities, you are Creating more Isk (reducing the value of everyone else's isk)
Creating more minerals (reducing the value of everyone else's minerals)
Creating more LP (reducing the value of everyone else's LP)
Or Creating more added value items (reducing the value that manufacturing adds to a stack of mins).

Your competition does not help the the people you're competing against (if they had the market to themselves, they'd get monopoly profits; marketeers love monopoly profits).

In EvE, competition takes many forms. Shooting you is simply one of those forms. This being a game, there is no moral difference between the forms.

Or do you refrain from putting a Hotel on Boardwalk because it hurts your opponent's more than your Hotel on Baltic?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sobach
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2012-06-24 21:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobach
David Toviyah wrote:
Sobach wrote:
"In 2011, 5,381,636 kill reports were generated; that’s an average of 14,744 per day or one every 5.86 seconds. 65% of these kill reports were caused by damage inflicted by a player, whilst non-player controlled entities (from Serpentis to CONCORD) were responsible for the remaining 35%."

And how many of these 65% have to be accredited to duels, faction warfare and the like? Show me a number on that, bro, otherwise: cool story.


ah yes, you mean the faction warfare that for all intents and purposes were dead not one year after it was introduced, and by 2011 is a rotting carcass of its former self. And duels? did you seriously just say duels? duels don't fking exist in EVE, especially honest ones. You probably have more people that fall for the "give me isk and i'll give you 10x back" scam in jita local every hour than there are honest duels in EVE for a whole week, and you're trying to imply that they somehow constitute an appreciable amount of the 5.3million kills in 2011? you're either crazy, clueless, or both.


These are common knowledge in EVE, and has been for years. You're practically trying to argue the sky isn't blue here. People have been educating you on the fundamental basics of EVE for pages now, and you're doing nothing more than going "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LOLOLOLOL", and frankly is coming across as nothing more than a troll.

In the off chance that you're actually not a troll, but just an extremely misguided DB, people have done more than enough in educating you how the game works, and if the only thing you have to say is that "ohnoes blowing ships up is bad because I don't like to get blown up"...

well, I don't need to tell you to GTFO of EVE, you'll do that yourself soon enough.
Arcturus Archangel
Archbreed
#165 - 2012-06-24 22:37:27 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
People ... stop feeding the whiteknighting troll !

He just keeps switching topics and you fall for it !

Stop arguing with somebody who has less life than all of us together and lives in a fantasy world he calls reality,
which is totally disconnected from any natural form of existence.


Close this **** already.


This. Just lock it. This is a waste of energy and time.

[Insert witty quote here]
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2012-06-24 23:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Adalun Dey
From a character with a background to a roleplayer.

I restarted my character several times, even though I had been playing them for little over a month each. In my case it had to do with compatibility issues of my chosen background with EVE's lore. I can understand your frustration over a situation that ruins your background though. I also agree that it was stupid to go into lowsec unprepared.


Things to consider before leaving high-sec:

- Fit warp core stabilizers so you aren't so easily scrambled
- Fly a covert ops ship (with cloak)
- Check your flight plan on the map for amount of ships destroyed in the last hour and the amount of people in a system (higher numbers increase the likelihood of a gatecamp)


Two RP-reasons why you don't need to restart your character:

- Though your character might be opposed to cloning, a fail safe was built in by the good Amarrian doctors, that turned you into a capsuleer, as a means to protect their investment.
- Facing certain death by a group of psychopathic space pirates you climbed out of your pod, into your spacesuit and launched the egg, which was destroyed. You yourself hid among the rubble of your spaceship and was later picked up by a transport ship that passed by.

PS Watch Eve University youtube movies for useful hints.

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#167 - 2012-06-25 01:02:18 UTC
Before this topic gets locked, I just wanted to add that it's most refreshing to see a poster who was sooo opinionated regarding complaints toward the new UI exposed in this way. 167 comments debating why pirates shoot pods? And you really mean it. This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen here yet and that's saying something.

YK
Mons Pubis Giganticus
Doomheim
#168 - 2012-06-26 04:14:43 UTC
solstice project is annoying. he's like that naked cowboy guy in new york. famous for doing something no one wants to see in the first damn place.
David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-06-26 07:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: David Toviyah
Hahaha, nice comparison.

@Adalun: Thanks! Could I substitute the first point with simply using the cloak-MWD-warp “trick”?

Sobach wrote:
These are common knowledge in EVE, and has been for years. You're practically trying to argue the sky isn't blue here. People have been educating you on the fundamental basics of EVE for pages now, and you're doing nothing more than going "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LOLOLOLOL", and frankly is coming across as nothing more than a troll.
Oh no, you don’t. Stop trying to weasel yourself out of this. You have yet to show me how much of these 65% were actually due to gankers. Appealing to “common knowledge” (for which, oddly enough, there appears to be no proof whatsoever) is a fallacy if I’ve ever seen one. Fail debater is fail. Try again.

Oh and you also haven’t shown proof for your allegation that PvE and non-violent (or at least consentual) PvP would not suffice as a main drive for the game. When breaking down the game like this it becomes clear that your claim seems unlikely at best.

Arcturus Archange wrote:
This. Just lock it. This is a waste of energy and time.
PRO TIP: Simply stay out of this thread if you deem it such “a waste of energy and time”. There, I just solved your problem. You don’t have to thank me though, all in a day’s work.
Aerethir El-Kharisti
#170 - 2012-06-26 08:13:14 UTC
Advice: Write it as a fan fiction story and post it on FanFiction Net.

With great power comes great electricity bill.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#171 - 2012-06-26 08:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
David Toviyah wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Think more like the modern pirates preying off the African coasts.
That comparison was, at best, astonishingly uninformed and at worst blatantly vile. Modern pirates in, for instance, Somalia were forced into this behavior because their only real alternative was starvation or some suicidal trip to Europe. Now, obviously that does not condone their crimes but it illustrates why comparing them to elite millionaires equipped with some of the most sophisticated technology in the entire universe who seem to be doing this sort of thing out of pure depravity is ... just plain senseless. By the way, did said pirates ever kill anyone?

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Yes. I deal with real pirates. And no, they are not forced to be pirates, they chose that lifestyle from other alternatives. You say you don't condone their crimes, but then you make excuses for them, which condones them.

And no, these pirate gangs might start small, but there are gangs that own many mother ships. Every tanker or container ship captured is just another mobile base of operations, or billions in ransom. Sell a few billion in stolen loot, and you no longer have a ragtag gang of poor dudes in a speedboat. They go buy real weapons and cause serious problems. Sail around in the Persian Gulf, or off the coast of Africa, and you will hear on a daily basis captains crying for help because their ship is being attacked.

Did they ever kill anyone. Yes. Do they do even worse things to make the victims wish they were only killed? Yes. There are worse things than dying.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#172 - 2012-06-26 11:43:39 UTC
David Toviyah wrote:
Right now I am considering destroying him and leaving EVE altogether because, fuck, this right here is a major joykill for me.


You had the right idea in your first post - don't get distracted by the pages of useless arguing after that first post!
Cyclades
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-06-26 12:01:22 UTC
9 pages??? Just read the OP - If RP is your thing why moan on this forum? deal with it RP wise in game!

I came back to eve 2 months back after an ahem.. 9 yr break Big smile got my first hulk after 3hrs back in, got ganked in HI SEC due to hulkg, was the funniest gaming experience in a while. It's wow hey this game has consequences. ITS A GAME get your head down get back on the horse and wreak revenge on your foes - It wont be the first time you get ripped, and certainly in low-sec its very dangerous.

I'm fully expecting to lose lots of ships as time goes by, it's the game and its dangerous out there, that's god forbid called a challenge!!!

Mons Pubis Giganticus
Doomheim
#174 - 2012-06-26 19:26:24 UTC
Cyclades wrote:
9 pages??? Just read the OP - If RP is your thing why moan on this forum? deal with it RP wise in game!

I came back to eve 2 months back after an ahem.. 9 yr break Big smile got my first hulk after 3hrs back in, got ganked in HI SEC due to hulkg, was the funniest gaming experience in a while. It's wow hey this game has consequences. ITS A GAME get your head down get back on the horse and wreak revenge on your foes - It wont be the first time you get ripped, and certainly in low-sec its very dangerous.

I'm fully expecting to lose lots of ships as time goes by, it's the game and its dangerous out there, that's god forbid called a challenge!!!


you sound all moan-y.