EVE General Discussion

what i meant is your morals aren't shared by others, and is neither better nor worse then the morals other operate by.

morals are solely your own, trying to justify, or criticize the actions of other via your own morals [ie. what your doing atm] is in itself a flawed way to propose and argument.

Judging by that post should I assume that you don’t know how laws or societies at large work? Because that sentence is just flat out wrong.

yes, laws and society conform to a certain set or morals. for example, Pakistan is bound to the laws and morals of Islamism.

but in that very essences, EVE's laws and society is bound to the concept having a lack of morals, and laws.

that statement applies to societies at large as well.

Islam and its teachings and morals are not any better nor worse then Christianity, Hindu, Buddhist, or Shinto. Capitalism and Socialism. Democracy and Dictatorship.

And in extension, the "Sandbox" of EVE.

So what you're saying is that everyone should just love each other and not kill Internet spaceships? Because surely that's impossible in a game of warfare. Maybe you should petition to ccp to remove all guns from the game.

Please enlighten us on ALL of the alternatives. I'm sure we would like to hear them.

Also, I honestly don't think you are reading everything instead replying with something to fight back and attack us. Many of us gave you many helpful and constructive options (including me) in which you choose to ignore them all. Which makes me thinks you are a troll and if that's the case then you are a very sadistic man.

Morals are relative. The very nature of morality is that is it based upon a persons own beliefs and feelings.

The only truly wrong thing with morality is when you force others to use your own in a detrimental way (and losing in a video game is not detrimental).


Just an example, by my morals, killing another human for any reason, even self defense, is wrong*. However, I recognize everyone's right to make that choice for themselves, and my choice has no effect on the rightness or wrongness of another's choice.

*Given the situation to defend myself, I would probably end up killing if I could not survive otherwise... but I would feel mighty disappointed in myself later.

You are surprised by this HOW?

Laws have nothing to do with morality. They are just there to keep society from collapsing.

Killing (ie murder) is illegal in the United States. However, it is not wrong unless a person individual moral compass says that breaking laws is wrong (or killing people is wrong, but thats a given).


As for forcing your moral views onto others in video games, it may be wrong to some, but I don't see it that way. There is no way that a healthy person should be harmed by losing in a video game. If they feel distress over such, they should seek professional assistance.

And onto Moral Relativism, don't care to look it up, don't care what it is. I was simply reaffirming what the poster you quoted was saying.
All those religions are not better or worse from an absolute moral standpoint (if such were even possible) because morals themselves are a relative thing based in an individual's opinions.

Hehe, your avatar suits that post perfectly.

You think that I am surprised by this?

Every single one of those puts you in competition with other players. That means that, without their consent, by performing those actions, you are hurting other player's income. It's no different from someone podding you (the SP loss is so, totally your own fault).

PVP doesn't always take the form of ganking, but ganking IS a form of PVP.

the "albeit less" is such an understatement, more like massively less. Here's a devblog with some numbers:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3407

here's the important bit:

"In 2011, 5,381,636 kill reports were generated; that’s an average of 14,744 per day or one every 5.86 seconds. 65% of these kill reports were caused by damage inflicted by a player, whilst non-player controlled entities (from Serpentis to CONCORD) were responsible for the remaining 35%."

Yea, let's gut the vast majority of all ship losses in EVE. Dropping the demand for ships and materials by almost 3/4 will not merely be a tiny little blip on the radar like you implied. The mere fact that you even think that way shows how little you understand the game. PVE demand cannot remotely begin to match the supply from the industrial base of EVE, nor can it survive on its own as the main driver for the game. What you're advocating will literally kill EVE overnight.

oh, and the info is easily found, I suggest you at least do some research and understand the fundamentals of what you're talking about before you talk out of your ass again.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Market_Indices#Market_Metrics_Devblogs
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/QEN



Get out of my EVE, now, and go back to whatever theme park MMO you came from. There are plenty of games out there with consensual pvp (and I play some of them), but don't even try to turn EVE into yet another one of those just because you can't cope with it.