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KA POW POW Inc militia corporation fires on friendlies, causes in-militia war

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-06-21 07:46:17 UTC
Since joining the Minmatar militia months ago, I have noticed a disturbing trend: certain members of the militia do not regard other friendly militia members as... well... friendly. Most notably, my corporation and others I have worked with have had problems with KA POW POW Inc, members of the Late Night Alliance. They have repeatedly opened fire without cause or warning, leading to asset loss, Amarr fleets getting away, and other war objectives being compromised.

I have repeatedly tried diplomatic approaches, and have only found false assurances and been ignored. The result: yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.

We do not seek to sabotage the anti-Amarr war effort, or to antagonize Late Night Alliance. We do not have any enmity for Autocannons Anonymous or other corporations who do respect friendlies.

We do, however, aim to clarify our standings. Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior.

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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#2 - 2012-06-21 08:11:53 UTC
How unfortunate.

Given the strength of your people's spirit, I suspect this is partly do to Federal influence. Individualism at the expense of group strength.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#3 - 2012-06-21 08:18:07 UTC
I wasnt even aware that DK was active in the warzone.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-06-21 08:21:37 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:
I wasnt even aware that DK was active in the warzone.

We became active as an alliance a little over a month ago, as an entity to unite ex-Ushra'Khan pilots who wanted to focus on the warring militias instead of on null-security holdings. I probably should have made a public announcement to that effect, but neglected to. My bad!

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-06-21 08:31:46 UTC
Having served in the militia I'm privy to the knowledge of Late Night Alliance's attacks on other militia entities.

Of course, I would expect you to protect your crews as you see fit, but I can't help but feel that this news only highlights a symptom of a much deeper sickness within the militia.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-06-21 09:52:50 UTC
I have my own opinions on deeper problems the militia has, but what's your take?

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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-06-21 12:03:31 UTC
It saddens me to see this behavior has infested even the Matari militia. It seems every militia is filled with self-seeking privateers and pirates using the CONCORD delegation of "militia" as a mask to hide their intentions. These capsuleers have forsaken their honor and their integrity, they have turned their backs to their comrades and are the worst of filth flying under the banner of their respective governments.

The Honor Guard would offer assistance in dealing with piratical elements in your militia, but our participation in the State's militia makes us war targets to you and those within your militia. While I have no doubt you would honor such an arrangement, you cannot speak for the others who may or may not be aware of the arrangement or choose to honor it. Instead, the Honor Guard will extend its sincere hope for your success against this treachery while we continue to struggle with the same situation in our own.

~Malcolm Khross

Dame Death
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-06-21 12:52:18 UTC
Let me guess, you took some of Ka-pows loot, or tried to "leech" a compound, and they shot you?

All I can say is good luck to Manos and co.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#9 - 2012-06-21 12:56:21 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
It saddens me to see this behavior has infested even the Matari militia. It seems every militia is filled with self-seeking privateers and pirates using the CONCORD delegation of "militia" as a mask to hide their intentions. These capsuleers have forsaken their honor and their integrity, they have turned their backs to their comrades and are the worst of filth flying under the banner of their respective governments.

The Honor Guard would offer assistance in dealing with piratical elements in your militia, but our participation in the State's militia makes us war targets to you and those within your militia. While I have no doubt you would honor such an arrangement, you cannot speak for the others who may or may not be aware of the arrangement or choose to honor it. Instead, the Honor Guard will extend its sincere hope for your success against this treachery while we continue to struggle with the same situation in our own.



If I could, I would like to throw a quote at you.

"Never stop your enemy while he is making a mistake."
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-21 14:09:55 UTC
Surely you aren't suggesting capsuleer militia groups are taking advantage of CONCORD regulations for their own gain?

I find this claim dubious and highly unlikely.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Rogue Integer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-06-21 14:56:11 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If I could, I would like to throw a quote at you.

"Never stop your enemy while he is making a mistake."


Honour, or at least the appearance of it, seems to matter more to Pilot Khross than victory or even consistency.

Perhaps the internal squabblings of the militias will allow them to focus their destructive energies on each other and overlook elements actually trying to do something useful.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-06-21 15:00:33 UTC
Rogue Integer wrote:

Honour, or at least the appearance of it, seems to matter more to Pilot Khross than victory or even consistency.


They are not exclusive. As for consistency, my actions and my words have remained consistent not only to themselves but also to one another.

Rogue Integer wrote:
Perhaps the internal squabblings of the militias will allow them to focus their destructive energies on each other and overlook elements actually trying to do something useful.


Perhaps.

~Malcolm Khross

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-06-21 15:11:24 UTC
Dame Death wrote:
Let me guess, you took some of Ka-pows loot, or tried to "leech" a compound, and they shot you?

Some of the times they shot us they used the reasons you listed, though our behavior was more "being within 100 km of KA POW POW's loot" and "being in a compound of theirs for a couple of seconds, and never entering capture range" rather than any actual misbehavior on our part.

Believe me, I at first thought it was some of the novice members of Rifterlings screwing up as well, and I ensured everyone treated allies respectably: no loot-stealing, leaving a compound if asked to, etc. Only after the shootings continued under the same excuses, with no other militia groups complaining about Rifterlings behavior, did I start suspecting foul play.

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-21 15:50:17 UTC
I have some lovely cheese that pairs excellently with this whine.

Shoot them back.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-06-21 16:33:19 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I have some lovely cheese that pairs excellently with this whine.

Shoot them back.

What do you think the point of the wardec is? It certainly isn't to cuddle up with them.

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Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-21 16:34:51 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
[...] yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.

Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior.


I do believe "shooting them back" was rather the point of the original posting, Vitalia.

~Malcolm Khross

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#17 - 2012-06-21 16:54:41 UTC
At aproximately 04:00 on the 18th of June, a small gang of Rifterlings in Kourmonen caught wind of an engagement at one of the asteroid belts. Eager to lend their assistance to fellow militia and shoot at Amarr, the gang warped to the belt and instead found themselves coming under fire from KA POW POW pilots, resulting in the loss of two frigates and dozens of Matari crewmembers. This incident, along with others, cannot be explained away by KA POW POW's simple greed for LP as the field was already cleared by the time our pilots arrived.

There have been reports of similar incidents from other pilots, including incidences of KA POW POW destroying the vessels of their own alliance mates.

This behavior - this treachery - cannot be tolerated in the Minmatar militia, and it will not be tolerated by the children of Ushra'Khan. While our brothers and sisters bleed under Amarrian rule this rogue group "KA POW POW" undermines our very efforts to liberate our kin for the sake of their own misguided greed. We have fought too hard, for too long, to see our efforts wasted so that these unscrupulous privateers can line their pockets with ISK.

This war will not end until KA POW POW either leaves militia or resolves to stop shooting purples. All Damu'Khonde pilots are in favor of this war, and are giving their full support for the war effort. We are prepared - willing and able - to see this war through.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-21 16:55:18 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
[...] yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.

Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior.


I do believe "shooting them back" was rather the point of the original posting, Vitalia.



I must have missed it among all the Militia navel-gazing. My mistake!

Carry on, best of luck with the fratricide and all.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#19 - 2012-06-21 18:14:52 UTC
I received a report earlier today that a massive alliance of pirates had been aiding the Minmatar against the Amarr but have apparently disengaged now. I wonder if your current woes will dissipate when the Republic's forces being to face serious opposition from the Empire.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#20 - 2012-06-21 21:45:13 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
[...] yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.

Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior.


I do believe "shooting them back" was rather the point of the original posting, Vitalia.



I must have missed it among all the Militia navel-gazing. My mistake!

Carry on, best of luck with the fratricide and all.


This isn't fratricide.

This is excising a cancer, and even a civilian like me can see that, and recognise its importance.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

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