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Digital Science
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-20 21:50:03 UTC
People want to do all things in eve. So instead complaining if people killing, mining etc most people want to do things they think is fun.

Why i want a new system for skillpoint? It because i want to have fun in eve and make people stay in eve. Even if they pvp, mine etc. As it is now new people that dont know how clone work lose sp. People that pvp train skill slower than people in 0.0. Mostly because we have implant that speed up sp.

So how will this system work?

It work this way that no one can lose sp, but you can still lose your skills.

Lets say that u get podded. Now u lost some skill. But u dont lose your skillpoint it means that u can skill up that skill again and even train multi sp but it will take the same time to train that skill as it could do before. Their is no problem with skill lost and you can easy pvp all night long even if u dont have a clone upgraded.

So what is the negative side of having no clone? Without the clone u have to train the skill again and it take skill to do that.

The new system even get people to train a skill faster if they have isk for it (isk sink). You still most have the skillpoint, so it doesnt mean that u can get more sp or skillpoint. If u have 50 m sp its all you have to spend on skills.

Lets say that im getting poded and pvp if i ot isk can could be up for fight faster again even if a got podded. meaning that i could pvp and dont care. Even for people that are new or miner that get popped in empire can train the skill again without losing sp.

With this system could people change what they do and change skill. For exemple to get rid of mining it takes same time as it took to train it. So i can change my charter depending what i want to do.

When i was in 0.0 their was alot people that only wanted skillpoint for pvp ship and carrier, and have the problem that they had to pay isk for clone and instead of doing any fun they rat for isk to get a clone because "old" skill that they didnt want cost them more in clone cost.

With t3 this could work great. Then could people saw skillpoint for t3 ship. Lets say someone get podded and lose skillpoint. If that person have saved some skillpoint he/she could use that and pay isk to train the skill fast and get in to fight/mission faster.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#2 - 2012-06-20 22:47:07 UTC
Lol, here is a well hidden "let us re-allocate SP" suggestion and it sucks about as much as all the previous 3038403 threads about it.

How to win EVE
stoicfaux
#3 - 2012-06-21 01:58:59 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Lol, here is a well hidden "let us re-allocate SP" suggestion and it sucks about as much as all the previous 3038403 threads about it.

This ^^.

Quote:

Lets say that im getting poded and pvp if i ot isk can could be up for fight faster again even if a got podded. meaning that i could pvp and dont care.

Plus, it's an attempt to take some of the sting out of PvP by reducing clone costs. If you can't afford to replace your clone, you can't afford to PvP and thus you have "lost" at Eve. So, unless you have deep pockets, zerging isn't a viable PvP strategy.

If you want consequence free death-match, there are other games out there. One of Eve's key features is that loss is supposed to hurt.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-21 03:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
What is wrong with the current system?

Unless you make a tard mistake and forget to update your clone you won't lose skill points. In Eve mistakes cost you. It's not like some other MMO where when you die you're sent to the grave yard with no loss.

The cost of getting podded and getting a new clone is relatively cheap. Yes clones cost more for older pilots but normally if you've been playing that long even 100 million ISK isn't really much.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#5 - 2012-06-21 06:27:38 UTC
I am only 10 months in this game. I thought all the "Oh, look! A fresh and exciting Idea!" is the line of some stupid trolls, trying to bait for flame. I begin to think they have a point.
Digital Science
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-21 10:42:31 UTC
lets say that i pay 120 m for a pod. If i die 3 times one day its 360 M plus ship lost. I dont know how much people rat/mining a day but i dont want to spend all that to get that isk : )

And dont forget the ship that cost some isk.

My point is that player could have more fun and pvp more istead of buying clones. Most player that pvp, dont lose sp, because they upgrade their clone. With the new system their is a time to get that skill. If u lose battleship skill lvl 5 it going to take a month if u dont pay isk to get it faster. So its not sure that it going to cost less, but peope dont have to think, not to pvp if they have no clone upgraded. With this system t3 pilot could just save their point and get maxed t3 ship faster.

We get more action that is what happens. In the corp i was in their was only one person that lost sp under 1 year, and it was like 250 in the corp. Most of them was doing pvp.

The problem was instead to get isk to the pod, because they had alot non pvp skills. So instead of doing what they wanted the had to get isk. Most people didnt have the money to buy timecard to get isk.

With a "point" system u could go on vacation, dont set on a long time skill, meaing that if u dont have the time but still pay for eve you dont lose skillpoint and dont log in. As for me i have sometime alot to do and can be gone for like 30-40 days, and i have to log in to change my skill because of this. Maybe people stay longer in the game because u can do more thing with your char. With the change people could try diffrent things.

When eve is present by ccp its a "fast" game with alot action, instead most people use their time to get isk or complaining that other people earn to much isk.

Their is no huge diffrent, to days sp system, only that we get more battle, and the pvp dont have to worry that people in empire get more sp becuse they have some implant.

Implant is also going to change. I higher grade of implant that for exempel give per plus dont give a person more sp its only speed up the traning from the sp pol
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-21 16:54:02 UTC
I'm not sure if you looked at clone prices but a 120 million ISK clone is for 264 - 343 million skill points.

Even a 120 million skill point clone only costs 30 million.

When it comes to implants there is already a fix for that. It's called jump clones.

The only time you should get podded is in nullsec or if you're really unlucky and you get hit by smart bombs.

Unlike your pod your ship goes pop every time you are on the losing side. This is the main cost of PVP in Eve. Do you suggest your ship resurrect at the station when you die?
Lady Skrillex
XTELLARIX
#8 - 2012-06-22 23:42:41 UTC
Lol, a new sp system? Think about the people that have been training for 11 years, good luck!
Digital Science
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-06-23 15:49:22 UTC
Lady Skrillex wrote:
Lol, a new sp system? Think about the people that have been training for 11 years, good luck!



Yes some people say that but i have got some changes in for exemple dota 2, and now 1 year later ccp changing some ship later on, that was no way they going to do. (mailed ccp about it.)

Thats the great thing if people that have trained 11 years could untrain some skill if they wanted it and use their skills for t3 ship instead of saving up more skills. The diffrent is that u save up your skills in a pool. If u get podded your skill ended up in the pool when u get podded, you still have train the skill again if u didnt had a clone.

Player that have played for ages can use their skills for more t3 ship. Think of t3 carrier etc ships that really hurt the skills.

Im belived that allianses like goons etc liked to fight and not only sitting in mining fields all day. Think that your miners could be fighters, really fast with isk support. Or a mining corp in empire could change som skills from mining to fighting, when they got attacked by a pvp corp. Or some pvp:er that want to have som peace and just want to mine. Instead of waiting and waiting the could change their skills if the have isk.

And yes the game can still change even with old charter. Its for them i want to change the skills for.

Couldnt say it better we have old charter in eve that soon have nothing to train anymore
it would be great for them to use that skills Smile
Lady Skrillex
XTELLARIX
#10 - 2012-06-23 15:54:38 UTC
Digital Science wrote:
Lady Skrillex wrote:
Lol, a new sp system? Think about the people that have been training for 11 years, good luck!



Yes some people say that but i have got some changes in for exemple dota 2, and now 1 year later ccp changing some ship later on, that was no way they going to do. (mailed ccp about it.)

Thats the great thing if people that have trained 11 years could untrain some skill if they wanted it and use their skills for t3 ship instead of saving up more skills. The diffrent is that u save up your skills in a pool. If u get podded your skill ended up in the pool when u get podded, you still have train the skill again if u didnt had a clone.

Player that have played for ages can use their skills for more t3 ship. Think of t3 carrier etc ships that really hurt the skills.

Im belived that allianses like goons etc liked to fight and not only sitting in mining fields all day. Think that your miners could be fighters, really fast with isk support. Or a mining corp in empire could change som skills from mining to fighting, when they got attacked by a pvp corp. Or some pvp:er that want to have som peace and just want to mine. Instead of waiting and waiting the could change their skills if the have isk.

And yes the game can still change even with old charter. Its for them i want to change the skills for.

Couldnt say it better we have old charter in eve that soon have nothing to train anymore
it would be great for them to use that skills Smile

At the end of the day its never going to happen, so give it a rest.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-23 16:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Digital Science wrote:
Lady Skrillex wrote:
Lol, a new sp system? Think about the people that have been training for 11 years, good luck!



Yes some people say that but i have got some changes in for exemple dota 2, and now 1 year later ccp changing some ship later on, that was no way they going to do. (mailed ccp about it.)

Thats the great thing if people that have trained 11 years could untrain some skill if they wanted it and use their skills for t3 ship instead of saving up more skills. The diffrent is that u save up your skills in a pool. If u get podded your skill ended up in the pool when u get podded, you still have train the skill again if u didnt had a clone.

Player that have played for ages can use their skills for more t3 ship. Think of t3 carrier etc ships that really hurt the skills.

Im belived that allianses like goons etc liked to fight and not only sitting in mining fields all day. Think that your miners could be fighters, really fast with isk support. Or a mining corp in empire could change som skills from mining to fighting, when they got attacked by a pvp corp. Or some pvp:er that want to have som peace and just want to mine. Instead of waiting and waiting the could change their skills if the have isk.

And yes the game can still change even with old charter. Its for them i want to change the skills for.

Couldnt say it better we have old charter in eve that soon have nothing to train anymore
it would be great for them to use that skills Smile


An old character with nothing to train? I don't think this is even possible. That makes about as much sense as what you said earlier about a clone costing 120 million ISK.

Eve is about making choices. If you make the wrong ones there is a price.

If you train for mining then you realize how much you hate staring at asteroids thats a hard lesson. Eve doesn't need a way to unlearn your talent points like some MMORPGs have.

If you jump into lowsec with your billion ISK ship and it gets blown up at the gate you're going to be a hard lesson.

There is no graveyard where your ship will magically resurrect.

Perhaps you mistakenly downloaded the wrong game?
Digital Science
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-06-24 08:19:50 UTC
Then i know. People that wants changes in eve are not wellcome. Even new idees are dangerous becuse something can happens. When something it happens its allways bad.

And if the charter is old and dont want to mine anymore and begin to pvp. will he/she with great lust rat/mine all day becuse he need a better clone. I really fun for that person and he/she will not stop subskribe becuse its so fun to earn isk for a clone instead of pvp.

I hope u find your magic ship that u are talking about, have never seen one, but as u say eve is the wrong game for me and their is maybe only people that see magic ship that could play eve....
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-25 03:05:26 UTC
Look- if you're too broke to afford a clone and new ship, join a corp with a replacement policy. If you feel you trained the wrong skills, you can easily train the ones you really wanted and still get to keep everything you've trained so far. Good lord, you can PvP nearly out the gate with new characters- tacklers don't require much skill, and are cheap to replace.

If you want to PvP with implants, easy peasy- use a jump clone for PvP, then jump back into the implanted one the next day. If you are in 0.0, the rats should still be paying enough to easily afford pvping in +3 implants.

The "pretty please can I reallocate my skillpoints for the flavor of the month setup" whine has been around since before I started playing. I recently started a fresh trial account, and had no trouble earning whatever I needed for that character.

You have 3 slots on your account. Create an alt, and pvp with that one- you can get it podded repeatedly and feel no loss. Insurance nearly covers a complete replacement if you are flying tacklers.

The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll
Digital Science
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-25 07:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Digital Science
Yes it not new what you are talkning about, you can still do that with the change, the only thing is that u could have more fun with your sp. You could change your charter faster. Insted sitting 6 month and waiting for pvp you could change your charter "instant".

Their is no major change, the diffrens is that empire/0.0 skill have the same speed in traning. If u pvp alot u could speed up your traning if u wanted to use some other skill, for exempel a new roll in your fleet tackler etc.

and yes you can still use a alt training and train what you was talking about. The diffrent is that if u get podded (not for t3) and not have skill, they ended up in a pool. You can take the risk and not use clone and pvp, but if u get podded you still have to train the skill again.

You dont need implant to speed up traning(implant work diffrent).

With more and more t3 ship in eve you still lose sp, even with this system. People may use more t3 becuse of this system. You dont have to wait for the fight, to get your skill. If u have saved som sp in your pool. You just pay isk and get for more fights(isk for faster traning).

And yes some of us have high lvl alt on our account, and no free slot for a char ; )
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-25 22:04:16 UTC
OMG,

It is CHARACTER. If you are going to try and make an argument take 2 seconds to learn 2 spell.

And there isn't anything wrong with the current training system. CCP has explained plenty over the years the logic behind the way it is, and its pretty much not going to change.
Digital Science
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-26 16:19:57 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
OMG,

It is CHARACTER. If you are going to try and make an argument take 2 seconds to learn 2 spell.

And there isn't anything wrong with the current training system. CCP has explained plenty over the years the logic behind the way it is, and its pretty much not going to change.


Take as much time u need to understand that everyone have not english as native. Yes they told me that for like 1 year ago that the couldnt change that thing i mailed about and talked to ccp. One year later the change is here soon. Its a game its not static it change, it evolve, it back, it goes forward. Still it change.

With only t2 things i think u have right eve was good, skill was good as it was or is like now. Thing have change now with t3 ship and people that have alot of sp.

You have to think longer, battleship t3? for a exempel a battleship skill "raven" lvl 5 take ages to get. Think now that u get a t3 battleship. You get killed, now yoy have to train like 2 month? more? to get sub skills or maybe som t3 carrier?

Are people willing to w8 for the skill or doest stop and we never seen any evolve in this ship?

Thats why im talking of skill change, because of the t3 ship.

And if u going to complain about my spelling, I could complaning about your understanding ^^ : )
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-26 17:06:59 UTC
Digital Science wrote:
And if u going to complain about my spelling, I could complaning about your understanding ^^ : )


I understand your proposal fine. It doesn't change the fact that your ideas are crap.
Digital Science
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-26 22:09:54 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Digital Science wrote:
And if u going to complain about my spelling, I could complaning about your understanding ^^ : )


I understand your proposal fine. It doesn't change the fact that your ideas are crap.



Its okey if u think its crap or dont like it, people could have diffrent idees how things could work this is my idee to get eve online to a better game even with some people like it or not like it. This is only my idee how I think the game can get more player to try eve and stay in eve. Its maybe better idees, but still its hard to get out a new idee how the game can be better if people only say no without thinking in long term, how new things affect the game, why are people leaving the game if its so good and their is no need to get it better. Or is the new thing a bad thing and getting player to stop playing. So why say no to a system if their is no singular server out their and test it for fun. CCP have allready giving us sp in a pool before when the server was down, so it has allready been in used, and player was glade to get them. So everything is in place with small changes.

So i have given my idee how i want to change the system, and i hope everyone understand why i want to change it. Not becuse its fun or anything only becuse of the long time effect of eve online. Rember when their was 60k+ on the server. This day i think i have seen 40k and then 1700 was in jita. Even that u dont like my idee their has to be a undrstanding that t3 ship and charter with high sp affects by the system. Yes we can say that is their fault etc, still if people quit the game their is less money for servers, support, new things etc. Their are a diffrent to say i dont like it, it sucks etc its easy to say that u dont like things even I dont like things in diffrent way, but it its alot harder to tell way its bad and how it could be better without talking to a person like he was stupid.

I have written all I wanted to say, and with things to do, some people call it life I call it a most, else had im sitting her all day a written ; )
What im telling is that im done with this treat and their no more from my side to say, so i leaving it with no answear as if u wonder why im not writing anymore on this one. Someone is maybe happy about it : )

Thank You for reading this and have a nice stay in eve online.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-06-26 23:20:54 UTC
Digital Science wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Digital Science wrote:
And if u going to complain about my spelling, I could complaning about your understanding ^^ : )


I understand your proposal fine. It doesn't change the fact that your ideas are crap.



Its okey if u think its crap or dont like it, people could have diffrent idees how things could work this is my idee to get eve online to a better game even with some people like it or not like it. This is only my idee how I think the game can get more player to try eve and stay in eve. Its maybe better idees, but still its hard to get out a new idee how the game can be better if people only say no without thinking in long term, how new things affect the game, why are people leaving the game if its so good and their is no need to get it better. Or is the new thing a bad thing and getting player to stop playing. So why say no to a system if their is no singular server out their and test it for fun. CCP have allready giving us sp in a pool before when the server was down, so it has allready been in used, and player was glade to get them. So everything is in place with small changes.

So i have given my idee how i want to change the system, and i hope everyone understand why i want to change it. Not becuse its fun or anything only becuse of the long time effect of eve online. Rember when their was 60k+ on the server. This day i think i have seen 40k and then 1700 was in jita. Even that u dont like my idee their has to be a undrstanding that t3 ship and charter with high sp affects by the system. Yes we can say that is their fault etc, still if people quit the game their is less money for servers, support, new things etc. Their are a diffrent to say i dont like it, it sucks etc its easy to say that u dont like things even I dont like things in diffrent way, but it its alot harder to tell way its bad and how it could be better without talking to a person like he was stupid.

I have written all I wanted to say, and with things to do, some people call it life I call it a most, else had im sitting her all day a written ; )
What im telling is that im done with this treat and their no more from my side to say, so i leaving it with no answear as if u wonder why im not writing anymore on this one. Someone is maybe happy about it : )

Thank You for reading this and have a nice stay in eve online.


Your proposal is a solution looking for a problem. Everyone keeps talking about how to keep people from leaving EVE. With the exception of a few small bumps, EVE has one of the healthiest growth curves of MMO's in its class

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And while English might not be your native language, there are excellent english based spell checkers. It would help in getting your point across better.
USGAnthrax
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-06-27 07:08:53 UTC
Omg another stupid noob question about something that is part of what EvE is to be unique like this...

Please go back to wow or hello kitty online .... Instead of loose your and our time with stupid proposals like this...

Everyone asking somerhing about SP System change....

No need to ask....

Check login screen... See BIOMASS button... Click on it, you'll see you'll enjoy...

Don't even wanna bother to ask a "can i have your stuff...", cause i think people asking things lile this may not have any important asset....

So once again : STOP this kinda post, it leads nowhere except just to make you appear on my KOS list because you deserve it.... (tip: be sure to have un updated clone, if i see you...)