EVE New Citizens Q&A

Yeah, the salvaging is a wonderful way to make money. Easily pays for t1 frigs with little effort.

A fully fit HAC probably runs about ~240M

Ratting I can make about 90M an hour if I'm doing it on both my accounts (And doing it lazily). So roughly every 3 hours of in game work can equate to a blown up HAC.

But instead of doing this since I'm in a nullsec alliance I'll do things a bit smarter: I'll build up about 5B in seed money (Call it 12 hours of ratting). With this seed money I can then start playing import games. During one of our shooting wars last year I imported dictors with full fittings. Dictors are a fun ship: Needed for fleet fights but they blow up if someone looks at them funny, and they are a high priority target. So I'd import them at a 10% profit margin (Including shipping costs), and sell fully fit to anyone who needed them. I also was selling them at 5% under alliance reimbursements ensuring that the pilots were also getting free money just for blowing up.

This was very popular and made me a fair bit of money. The best part is I could shuffle out and contract a few dozen orders in a matter of minutes once things were shipped.

Then Deus Ex: HR came out and I abandoned eve for about a month v0v.

A single level 4 mission typically pays on the order of 15 million isk without bothering to salvage or convert LP at all, just from loot/bounties/rewards. A true T1 frigate (i.e. an expendable fit where you stick with actual T1 fittings as well for the most part) is going to cost you about half a million, and a fully pimped-out T2 frigate (well, not _fully_ pimped out, you can use officer modules if you're crazy) is maybe going to cost you 30 million.

Frankly, grabbing the side-skills for large drones and burning through gallente frig 4/cruiser 4/BS 2 (or 3) and then running L4s with it for cash is the true lazy man's way to maintain a stock of PvP frigates. Aside from the ship skills themselves and heavy drone operation, literally everything else that boosts a drone Dominix is a core/support skill that also helps your frigates/cruisers.

I quoted your post as a preface to this mainly because someone who isn't too unpleasant can use your method of finding a mission buddy and helping them through L4s as a salvager or ancillary DPS (people that run missions in Amarr boats, especially, are typically quite fond of having a destroyer along for frigates so that they can focus on **** their turrets actually hurt) will give you the faction with whatever mission corporation to allow you to jump right into L3s/L4s once your Domi is trained rather than doing the boring L1/L2/L3 grind of death.

Bonus: Missioning in groups makes missions SO very much less boring. Your drones getting off-targeted by a spawn = frustrating thing that annoys you. Your mission buddy catching aggro and having to warp = funny.

(Additional note: your mileage may vary, obviously, but you're going to hear people being a lot more optimistic about salvaging in general and ninja salvaging in particular on this forum. People that are old enough to feel qualified to give advice, including me, "grew up" in an environment where salvaging was kind of a waste of time for mission-runners, so salvage sold _extremely_ well. Since the Noctis was added to the game, ninja salvaging has kind of taken a one-two punch: people can salvage their stuff fast so it's harder for you to get to it before it's gone, and people tend to actually salvage more so the supply/demand balance has shifted and made most salvage pretty cheap. Actually, make that a three-hit combo: salvage results were also directly "retuned" (i.e. nerfed) so that there aren't really obvious "high-value" wrecks and you have to salvage everything and hope the random number gods favor you instead of just leaping in to ninja the Angel BS wrecks.)

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x/10 is the rating on DED sites, which are a more difficult (usually) version of probeable combat sites that you have to scan down with the probing stuff. 4/10 is a site rating you'll see in low and sometimes high security space, designed around cruisers/BCs if i'm remembering off the top of my head right. Pretty sure you aren't allowed to bring a Battleship past the warp gates but BCs are allowed.

Escalations occur from some DED sites, when you finish them you'll get an entry in your quest book with coordinates in another system. Warp to this and get another combat site of slightly higher difficulty and a better reward.

L4 means "Level 4", basic missions that you get from agents are divided into levels (the level is in the agent description/subtitle). Generally speaking L1 = doable with a frigate, L2 = needs a destroyer, L3 = needs a cruiser, L4 = needs a Battlecruiser or Battleship to complete solo (note- most people go up a size category to make missions easy).

Wormholes are a good source of ISK and PvP if you are in a good corp that knows its stuff. Of course if you are on all alone you will probably just end up as one of those damned AFK pilots I see in POS shields all the time.

It's like looking in a closed sweet shop window......................

As you can see there are a ton of ways to make money in null.
First most serious null alliances have some form of a Ship Replacement Program (SRP) and will (partially) refund your loss.

Then, the easiest and least skill intensive way to make money is imo salvaging. When I, and a ton of other people too, run a site I just dont bother with salvaging. If someone asks if he can salvage my sites he/she is more then welcome too.

Nice thing about salvaging is that you can get into a bit of industry if you want and start producing stuff with your loot/salvage.

I just moved to SOV so I have to re-asses, but when I lived in lowsec, I would just buy a PLEX every other month. I also did a little PI and some plexes with friends. It was more than enough to keep me in BC's, cruisers, and frigates. If you're an adult with a family it's probably time that is your scarcest RL commodity. $20 every other month or even every month maximizes your PVP time without having to waste valuable time grinding missions.

I'm a 3 month old char, who has begun doing aggresive PvP in null since one month ago. My income right now is as follows:

- L4 missions each time i go to jita to buy and we are not at war. Nice income, in 2 hours you can get 50 mill, enough to buy and fit any BC (except sniper BCs) Or several frigates/cruisers.
- War targets loot / kills loot or ransom. It is shared between corp members.
- Null ratting when not "on duty" in an AF.

Also, try not to lose too many ships, or just lose junk ships (T1 frig/cruiser, T2 frigs, BCs)