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How do you fund a pvp lifestyle?
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Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-20 15:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
I'd really like to join a null sec corp and do roams and even mission with corp members however, I feel that I have no where near the ability to earn enough to replace battle cruisers or cruisers and if Im forced to replace frigates on my own I'd bottom out in a month or so.

How do folks get to a point where you can begin a positive isk pvp lifestyle... or is that a total myth and is pvp the ultimate isk sink as I expect it to be.

I've been working forever it seems and a day to get to level 4 missions (which I have the agents for but not the BS) but, the closer I get the more it seems like that may have been a newb filled pipe dream... and may never lead to a life of high adventure. I still do love the missions however, although it would be more fun with others if I could find that rare trustyium I've heard wild tale of and only seen once fleetingly in practice...

Are there corporations that still provide tackle ships, income and advice to NEEEeeeewwwwbzzzz without requiring a 24/7 lifetime commitment (RL Dad and employee here).

I do love Eve, I love the spirit of the game, the risk, the adventure, and this is my 3rd time attempting subscription but... I can't seem to figure out how to support learning the pvp ropes without bottoming out my pittiful isk tank.

In the past I have had far flung adventures with some great folks in corps that eventually went belly up... but, Im not sure if the current political climate even allows for merryment and casual adventure anymore... Im also a bit scared of getting shanghi'd into some kind of slavery... my peoples have been known to get enslaved before and I'd like to avoid it if possible...

I've been running my brain capacitor on overheat for some time now and still got nothing but an empty broken lightbulb and a wallet that grows by millions in a environment dominated by billions.

anywho... hope someone gets this message in a pod and can give out some sage advice regarding how to become a good wingman in a profitable corp that values it's members and helps it's younglings...


Here are some of my dumb ideas:

1) Take easlly replaceable frigate into losec and try to find anything in losec that will provide more profit than L3's given constant risk of piracy. (cause 4 mill sp... Im not really gonna kill anything, just gonna try to run and blacken the eyes of my murders hopefully)

2) Do my best to find a good corp home pack up and move out to null sec wistling and praying I don't get bankrupted.

3) Continue to skill up to BS and hope a miricle drops a few hundred million isk in my bank so I can do some L4's.

4) Train for exploration and then... umnn... yea!

5) Betray my birth empire and join the caldary faction wars...

6) Betray Jita and join my empires faction wars...

7) Resubscribe to Darkfall (much easier on the brain same risk fun / elves and junk make me physically sick to the stomach but o well)

thx in advance.
Tolrok Qorte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-20 15:55:46 UTC
If you're looking to join a 0.0 corp then all you honestly need is a ship that can rat out there, and you'll pull in plenty of money to fund your pvp ventures starting out. I highly recommend using smaller/cheaper ships when you're first beginning. T1 frigs and cruisers can be fit up quickly without breaking your wallet when they inevitably explode, and can be put to good use either solo or with a friendly gang.

Exploration is also an option, if you enjoy that. As is mining out in 0.0, manufacturing, trading, having a mission alt to run those level 4s that, while you're correct are not that adventurous, do bring in decent money. Another option is Faction War, provides fun low-sec pvp in generally frigate-cruiser size hulls and the LP they bring in can be used as a very good source of isk. If the downsides of being shot at in enemy space are acceptable.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-20 15:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
You generally join a corporation or an alliance which will replace the ships you lose for you. If you are at least somewhat active and have at least very basic knowledge of the game you shouldn't have problems getting into one.

I haven't "made ISK" (as in, spent committed effort to increase my wallet, other than taking a random market opportunity when it presented itself on a silver plate) for the last two years.
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-20 16:02:45 UTC
There are various ways to make money for a life of PvP but it all depends a little on the ships that you intend to lose. From what I hear there is good money doing PvE in Null but I don't really know anything about this. Aside from loot and ransoms, what works best for me is trading. If you spend a few minutes every day adjusting your market orders you can make pretty decent ISK, possibly enough to replace your BCs.

And whatever you do, do not join the Caldari, they're evil. And not in a good way Smile

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Tolrok Qorte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-06-20 16:05:22 UTC
darmwand wrote:
There are various ways to make money for a life of PvP but it all depends a little on the ships that you intend to lose. From what I hear there is good money doing PvE in Null but I don't really know anything about this. Aside from loot and ransoms, what works best for me is trading. If you spend a few minutes every day adjusting your market orders you can make pretty decent ISK, possibly enough to replace your BCs.

And whatever you do, do not join the Caldari, they're evil. And not in a good way Smile


Agreed, trading can be an incredible income source. However, if you're like me, it'll frustrate you to no end. Just have to have the head for it.

Also agreed, join Minmatar. Big smile
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-20 16:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
Faction...

yes this is one of my huge problems.. I originally started my main before FW's, and got Shanghi'd in a friendly fun and informative way to moving out to Caldari space with a null sec corp that eventually went belly up.

Currently I have a 6.2 standing with the caldari navy and I've even... killed some gallienti npcs... not sure if I can even move home... without getting shot... and I actually plan to experiment witha Ren's run later in a stripped jump clone with a stripped rifter JIC...

From what I've seen thou Jita pwnz Rens and I'd be seriously afraid of what would happen if all those mission drakes woke up one day and decided Mini's need to cease to exist... I seriously wonder what if anything a bunch of herpacanes could do if the evil ducks attack. I see those evil ducks up close every day... and missles aren't fair...

It would be great thou to be among other mini's and learn the ways of our racial ships... cause as it is ... the only advice avialable to me is for drakes, ravens and other stuff I have no desire to fly.

As for trading... Boring... wretch... also I don't delude myself into believing I as a noob could outwit the vets in Jita or Rens...

I'd rather take my lumps from pirates whom I respect... at least my bloated corpse will feed someones pvp lifestyle.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-20 16:18:03 UTC
Im surprised no one mentioned incursions. They might not be popular but i run hq sites and they provide 31.5m evry half an hour or so, thats how i fund my addiction its not boring and all u need is a good tanky bs or a supertanky bc. (Shield preferably).
ive seen drakes and hugnins getting into fleet. If u got questions pm me in game :)
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-06-20 16:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
Bronya Boga wrote:
Im surprised no one mentioned incursions. They might not be popular but i run hq sites and they provide 31.5m evry half an hour or so, thats how i fund my addiction its not boring and all u need is a good tanky bs or a supertanky bc. (Shield preferably).
ive seen drakes and hugnins getting into fleet. If u got questions pm me in game :)



That would be perfect but... however no one is going to want an AC herpacane in an incursion. lol... let alone one I can't replace... well at least for an hour I wouldn't be able too.. lol...

Im most likely a week or so away from flying a drake fitted well with cruise missles... I think... although not sure if I could aford one realistically and if I did... Rule 1 of eve wouldn't let me undock it.
Tolrok Qorte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-06-20 16:22:43 UTC
Tevar wrote:
Faction...

yes this is one of my huge problems.. I originally started my main before FW's, and got Shanghi'd in a friendly fun and informative way to moving out to Caldari space with a null sec corp that eventually went belly up.

Currently I have a 6.2 standing with the caldari navy and I've even... killed some gallienti npcs... not sure if I can even move home... without getting shot... and I actually plan to experiment witha Ren's run later in a stripped jump clone with a stripped rifter JIC...

From what I've seen thou Jita pwnz Rens and I'd be seriously afraid of what would happen if all those mission drakes woke up one day and decided Mini's need to cease to exist... I seriously wonder what if anything a bunch of herpacanes could do if the evil ducks attack. I see those evil ducks up close every day... and missles aren't fair...

It would be great thou to be among other mini's and learn the ways of our racial ships... cause as it is ... the only advice avialable to me is for drakes, ravens and other stuff I have no desire to fly.

As for trading... Boring... wretch... also I don't delude myself into believing I as a noob could outwit the vets in Jita or Rens...

I'd rather take my lumps from pirates whom I respect... at least my bloated corpse will feed someones pvp lifestyle.


Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though.
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-20 16:35:18 UTC
Tolrok Qorte wrote:

Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though.


Yes I've read that!

How in gods name do you survive without access to Jita thou? Dodixe? Rens?

Everytime I see someone talk about winmatar... Im baffled... then again the only pvp experience I have was orbiting at 500m doing 2200m/s and like 100 dps and praying my mates killed my target before the drones or missles ate me and usually... the drones ate me as I wasn't worth the missles... well actually back then I was flying faster than the explosion of the missles but I don't think they let you do that anymore...
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-20 16:35:31 UTC
Tolrok Qorte wrote:
[quote=Tevar]
Minmatar is dominating FW at the moment actually. We've actually been having to roam into Caldari space just to find some plexes to run. And I highly doubt your standing is so low that you'll be shot by the NPCs around here, you can always run some missions and pick it up though.


I think the Gallente guys could use some support...

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Tolrok Qorte
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-20 16:42:18 UTC
Tevar wrote:


Yes I've read that!

How in gods name do you survive without access to Jita thou? Dodixe? Rens?

Everytime I see someone talk about winmatar... Im baffled... then again the only pvp experience I have was orbiting at 500m doing 2200m/s and like 100 dps and praying my mates killed my target before the drones or missles ate me and usually... the drones ate me as I wasn't worth the missles... well actually back then I was flying faster than the explosion of the missles but I don't think they let you do that anymore...


Rens actually has everything we need, Hek is another local trade hub. To be perfectly honest, in the four years I've played eve, I've been to Jita exactly once. Can't stand the place.

Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race.
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-20 16:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
lol

tackling is fun... so liberating to have an FC call your # and realize you no longer have to do isk calcs in your head anymore... you can just put on yer anime face and go for it.

I can make and fly rifters... I can fly all T1 including my baby and money maker, my cane. She however, is only for missions atm as ... replacing her would bankrupt me.
darmwand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-06-20 16:43:57 UTC
Tolrok Qorte wrote:
Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race.


Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-20 16:45:32 UTC
darmwand wrote:
Tolrok Qorte wrote:
Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race.


Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane.


I'd kill to learn how to do that... litterally. Twisted
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#16 - 2012-06-20 17:10:59 UTC
Tevar wrote:
darmwand wrote:
Tolrok Qorte wrote:
Minmatar have some solid pvp ships if you can fly them, just like any race.


Indeed. I love popping Drakes in my Cane.


I'd kill to learn how to do that... litterally. Twisted


I'd give you advice, but I don't really fly Minmatar. As an SB pilot, though, just find targets that are kinda dim and stay away from KBs so they can't assess your threat and ship from your e-peen and name alone and you'll do fine regardless of ship.

If you can't manage to kill someone, just scamper off. Drakes are bloody slow so getting out of their point shouldn't be rocket science, at least one on one.
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-20 17:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
Lost Greybeard wrote:
If you can't manage to kill someone, just scamper off. Drakes are bloody slow so getting out of their point shouldn't be rocket science, at least one on one.


Ya not really a how to kill something thread... all though I appreciate the advice... although once again rule 1 of eve at this point would solidly keep me from engaging a drake in my derpacane. Actually rule 1 of eve should be forcing me to mission in rifters but... while I can get away with it like a thief in the night... I will, and so far... fingers crossed... things have worked out... although I got freaking pointed in an L3 last night... what...!!!!!????? that was a bit over the top.

More like a hey how do I start the long journey of learning pvp kind of thread...
with a hint of... how do you ever afford to fly BC's into Pvp kind of jist, cause...
I broke... I got one cane... and bearly enough to buy another cane hull... then Im belly up... and selling plex,
cause the whole mission up to 60 mil in a rifter thing sounds good on paper... but... yea... no ...
not again... not in this insanely inflated market... no sir.

also... they POINT IN L3s NOW... /swoon...

eve is so dysotopian in every damn way... the other day I heard a pirate refer to themselves as a "somali desperate" kind of pirate... I believed them... cause... well... I can see how you'd get that depserate economically in this game.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-20 18:21:41 UTC
I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though Sad

Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-06-20 19:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though Sad

Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog



I could spend a week or so getting into Drakes... for incursions... but that's alot of training and then do they even really take drakes into that?

Incursions sound like fun cause it's a group activity and I love the PVE also... but...

1) A newb drake will get taken?
2) Folks won't just pod you for crappy drake loot or lulz?
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-06-20 19:14:27 UTC
Tevar wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
I jump clone to hi-sec for few days a week to do incursions, then jump back to 0.0 to pvp. Only thing that sucks is I have to time my jumps very well so I don't miss out on either adventure. I also miss out on the random spur of the minute roam though Sad

Wish I had the isk to buy a good toon then I could just log/relog



I could spend a week or so getting into Drakes... for incursions... but that's alot of training and then do they even really take drakes into that?

Incursions sound like fun cause it's a group activity and I love the PVE also... but...

1) A newb drake will get taken?
2) Folks won't just pod you for crappy drake loot or lulz?


I got into a few incursions with my Harbinger but that was mainly due to a FC that was very friendly to noobs. The quickest way into incursions is with a cheap battleship. It's worth it though. Good way to make isk and the best thing about it, it's liquid isk. no salvaging, no looting of wrecks and then selling mods. Run some sites for a couple of hours and then have an extra 100M isk in your wallet when you are done. You also get LP that you can use as well.

I've never seen anyone get blown up by griefers but apparently it has happened.
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