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Question about up coming mining barge tweaks

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-06-20 14:00:14 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
(Ignore the ass hat that posted first, I'm asking a genuine question here)


I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.


Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.

Bigger barge = more space


I like the fact they will be more difficult targets now. Ganking is fun, but a bit too easy sometimes.

Just for the record, i have an industrial alt that regularly flies a Hulk, and I even do a little mining on this toon sometimes too. I'm actually curious about this buff since It will directly affect me.

FC, what do?
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-20 14:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
You are going to cry even though CCP is buffing your barges.

Removed. Ascii not permitted. Navigator.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-06-20 14:02:58 UTC
I'm not crying, Troll else where.


People can't even ask an actual question around here

FC, what do?
Ohanka
#4 - 2012-06-20 14:03:34 UTC
highonpop wrote:
I'm not crying, Troll else where.


People can't even ask an actual question around here


you misunderstand the actual buff.

North Korea is Best Korea
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-20 14:03:35 UTC
Because you cant have your cake and eat it too.

CCP is really teasing you lot by making the procurer the high tank one and the lowest yieldTwisted

Things are only impossible until they are not.
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-06-20 14:04:32 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Because you cant have your cake and eat it too.

CCP is really teasing you lot by making the procurer the high tank one and the lowest yieldTwisted



Yea, that kinda threw me for a loop for a sec.


I guess CCP has a sense of humore after all Lol

FC, what do?
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#7 - 2012-06-20 14:04:39 UTC
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-20 14:06:51 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.


Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness!

Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Ohanka
#9 - 2012-06-20 14:06:57 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.


except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.

North Korea is Best Korea
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#10 - 2012-06-20 14:08:02 UTC
Because the hulk has massive circuits, computers, and extraction equipment used to optimize its mining extraction rate. This equipment takes up a whole lot of space due to its massive efficiency. The retriever has no such equipment, allowing to to devote most internal space to cargo.

Bam, immersion unbroken. You're welcome.

[/sarcasm]
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#11 - 2012-06-20 14:08:19 UTC
It is a choice
Low yield but high defense (for the afker)
Medium Yield with large cargo and medium defense (for the semi-alert afker)
High-yield, low defense (for the alert player/team player)

Or from the ganker's point of view
Bring a Tornado or two
Bring a couple destroyers
Same idiot, different patch.

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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#12 - 2012-06-20 14:08:49 UTC
Hi Sec miners will think their Hulks are now perma tanks with maximum expander slots after the "buff" because they can mine in total safety.

am i right?

I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance.
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-20 14:09:04 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.


except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.


Until hulkageddon....

Also, since CCP removed my fine ASCII picard facepalm from my fine first post.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/582/picard-facepalm.jpg?1240934151
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#14 - 2012-06-20 14:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ituhata Saken
highonpop wrote:
(Ignore the ass hat that posted first, I'm asking a genuine question here)


I can understand the buffer to mining yield. But the Tank and Ore hold is baffling to me.


Why should a retriever, that is half the size (give or take) of a hulk have MORE tank and MORE Ore bay? Its smaller. The covetor and Hulk are the size they are for a reason.

Bigger barge = more space


I like the fact they will be more difficult targets now. Ganking is fun, but a bit too easy sometimes.

Just for the record, i have an industrial alt that regularly flies a Hulk, and I even do a little mining on this toon sometimes too. I'm actually curious about this buff since It will directly affect me.


The same reason why an armored truck has more tank than a semi/tractor trailer. The upcoming changes mainly are for balance and to give each ship a role, and its hard to say a hulk shouldn't have a bigger bay, but we can say this is because it has sophisticated yet rather large onboard equipment that helps it process/yield ore at a substantially greater rate than the other barges at a reduced capacity to hold it.

EDIT: Darn, Nyreanya beat me to it. A like for like minded people.

So close...
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-06-20 14:09:59 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance.


mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-06-20 14:10:13 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.


except the procurer, which will still be as useless as ever.



Actually, the procurer will have the hardest tank (If I read the dev blog right)

FC, what do?
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-06-20 14:10:43 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance.


mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo



^ This I like. Having a separate ORE bay on the barges is going to be nice.

FC, what do?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-20 14:11:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before we see QQ threads about lost ore - not knowing that an ore bay was even added to the hulk after rebalance.


mining lasers will put ore in the ore bay, not in cargo


CCP is really dumbing the game down these days.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#19 - 2012-06-20 14:11:56 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.


Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness!

Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that.


It's not that difficult to understand.

It's like 3 variants of 1 barge, each focusing one of the three main points: Cargo Space, Yield, Tank (EHP)

I wouldn't be surprised if they grouped all T1 barges together into one varient list.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-06-20 14:13:57 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
Barges will NO LONGER BE STEPPING STONES.

All barges will be situational.

All barges are getting a yield increase.

Again, All barges will be equivalent, but situational.


Situational awareness? Multiple ships for multiple jobs? Madness!

Only the top tier of the hi sec grinders will comprehend that.


It's not that difficult to understand.

It's like 3 variants of 1 barge, each focusing one of the three main points: Cargo Space, Yield, Tank (EHP)

I wouldn't be surprised if they grouped all T1 barges together into one varient list.


It's not difficult for me to understand, but for your typical hi sec AFK while doing homework guy it will beBig smile

Things are only impossible until they are not.
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