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Alts should be removed from the game alltogether.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#81 - 2012-06-21 04:02:30 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Halete wrote:
Again, note that I don't multi-box and your proposed changes to alt accounts wouldn't effect me.

Yeah, sure. We believe you. No one posts in forums using alts. Unheard of!

Forums alts, hauler alts and all kinds of alts are the way of the FUTURE !


And of the past, too... Cool

And the perfect.
And the pluperfect.
And the future perfect.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aooz
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-06-21 11:29:37 UTC
Alts and alt paranoia are so rife it's game breaking and immersion breaking in my opinion. Try having a conversation about EVE or in EVE without the word "alt" coming up. You're always assumed to be an alt, many times for all practical measure you might as well be an alt.

No one trusts anyone and that might be a cool part of the game if their were vast spy networks involving hundreds of people, but nope it's really just the threat of some nerd with too much time on his hands and an alt account. The lack of trust goes so deep that you quickly find you aren't able to trust anyone with anything as they could be anyone.

I don't think it's great either when you do get an alt "herp derp I'm going to be a space pirate" "one sec let be log on to this other space pilot" "wait, who am I?"

It's kind of sad to that at least 50% of the EVE population are the same people.

Even if you try to get away from alts, you don't have one, you are now at a crippling disadvantage to everyone else.

Yeah it ruins the game imo.
Freezehunter
#83 - 2012-06-21 14:26:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
I agree with OP, every account should just have ONE character, since you can't train on other characters at the same time anyway.

I only have ONE account and only this character, and 2 more alts on this account that I never use /only use for market checks when I am away from Jita.

I am ******* sick of people always assuming that I am a spy or asking if I have alts, or assuming that I am an alt, asking for my API key or other BS like that, because of my weird employment history, which has very good and valid and real reasons to be the way it is...

I've never scammed in this game, I've never stolen anything from anyone, yet everyone I ******* meet automatically gets paranoid and assumes everyone else is an alt.

IMO, people that want alts should PAY FOR EXTRA ACCOUNTS, not just buy 2 more super high SP chars on the same account, it's pointless.

Eve is the only MMO that I play where I don't have any alts.

In WoW I had 17 alts.

In SWTOR I had 8.

In AION and Rift I had 5.


**** alts in Eve, seriously, it gives people that have them super unfair advantages, and makes everyone else paranoid and impossible to interact with.

In other MMOS, having many alts doesn't give you bullshit OP advantages, you can't PVP "solo" on 8 characters at the same time like you can in Eve, you can't have an entire personal bot mining fleet that makes you bullshit amount of ISK, you can't do missions on multiple chars at the same time to get **** tons of money.

And even if you can, it doesn't matter how much money you have in other MMOS, but in Eve, when the person you kill in that bullshit "solo" 8 alts vs 1 actually loses **** that he has to waste time to get back, it's a big balance problem.

When I get killed and podded and lose a **** ton of ISK in lost ships, mods and implants, it is an INCREDIBLY hard to recover loss, which has made me severely risk averse over the years, because I seriously have to do missions or complexes for like a week or to recover from ONE loss, because unlike other people without lives, I have a girlfriend and a job and a real life I have to attend to.

On the other hand, people that make 5 bils a day with their 50 bullshit alts, can just **** over everyone else and they just pay their accounts with PLEX and don't actually suffer from losses at all, then they come over the forums and yell "you mad bro?" every time someone like me has a valid concern about the game, like learning implants being a very necessary but extremely bullshit waste of money that makes ISK broke people like me risk averse.

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AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo
NuclearSpaceFishCapitalism
#84 - 2012-06-21 15:06:44 UTC
never going to happen. CCP would lose a lot of business and that cannot be accepted. Your best best is to not push for the complete removal of alts, but force players to get back to a 0.0 security rating before recycling a character. If they do not do so they cannot delete the character. reduce the starting Sp for new characters, slightly buff response times on concord, slight buff to t1 mining barges and maybe even t2. Increase turn around times on recycling characters.

If you really want to reduce griefing there is the answer, not something that will never be put into play. People that fly like saints in game also use alts, its not just those looking to **** others off. Most of the market systems would quickly die and everyone would find it near impossible to find what they want, when they need it at an affordable price. market alts would likely be one of the first wave of characters to disappear from the game.

Your argument against using alts assumes that you can only train a single character, forever. You can never switch characters to train for a certain skill, then hop on the other alt to have it train a completely different skill. Therefore your statement is short sighted and harms everyone across the board regardless of how they play.
AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo
NuclearSpaceFishCapitalism
#85 - 2012-06-21 15:09:22 UTC
I see nonsense about alts give people OP advantages. What OP advantages does someone gain on an alt that is not in use because they are on the main character of that account? Also, What Bullshit, OP, advantages do they gain because they used their alt slot and you did not? Last i checked, you had the same chances to make an alt. You should know that alts are not something you can use all at the same time. someone that is using 8 'alts" are using 8 different accounts to run 8 different ships to **** your face. No one is stopping you from buying and maintaiing a small fleet of alts. If you can manage to pull that off, gg.
Freezehunter
#86 - 2012-06-21 16:55:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo wrote:
I see nonsense about alts give people OP advantages. What OP advantages does someone gain on an alt that is not in use because they are on the main character of that account? Also, What Bullshit, OP, advantages do they gain because they used their alt slot and you did not? Last i checked, you had the same chances to make an alt. You should know that alts are not something you can use all at the same time. someone that is using 8 'alts" are using 8 different accounts to run 8 different ships to **** your face. No one is stopping you from buying and maintaiing a small fleet of alts. If you can manage to pull that off, gg.


Yes, except the part where I don't have time to play this game 24/7like some of the lifeless basement dwellers on here.

Besides, some of us just want to pay our sub and play with ONE character, like the game is supposed to be played.

Alts represent most of the **** that's broken in this game.

Alt scammers.

Alt dec shields.

Alt Spies.

Alt Bot fleets.

Cyno alts (that a person who plays the game with a single character and account, like me, can't have, and is thus at a disadvantage FROM THE START when it comes to capitals).

Alts killing the character that has a huge bounty to cash in on said bounty.

Margin trade scamming with alts, AND MANY OTHER PROBLEMS LIKE THOSE, that arise because of people that **** with the system using alts.

All this crap started being 50 times worse since CCP put PLEX in the game and allowed people that should have no ******* business playing Eve (unemployed people that can't afford a sub), play the game.

What happens when, one day, less and less people pay for Eve with real money, like me, and buy PLEX for real money, and leave?

I'll tell you what happens, all that will be left will be these ******* basement dwellers with 50 alts they pay for with PlEX, and CCP will go bankrupt, and Eve will DIE.

We already have MANY, MANY people that wouldn't even be in Eve right now if they couldn't pay for it with in game money, which means they will just quit the game when that stops being an option one day.

So yeah, **** alts in Eve, I've been playing since 2007 like a normal person, and I never had or felt the need to cheat the system with alts, or by buying PLEX to fund my ****.

If Eve was F2P, I'd understand this system where you can effectively buy ISK with real money, but when I pay my sub and I am actually at a disadvantage to people who DON'T, that's just bullshit.

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Tanae Avalhar
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-06-21 17:39:56 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
AllUrIskRBelongToMeToo wrote:
I see nonsense about alts give people OP advantages. What OP advantages does someone gain on an alt that is not in use because they are on the main character of that account? Also, What Bullshit, OP, advantages do they gain because they used their alt slot and you did not? Last i checked, you had the same chances to make an alt. You should know that alts are not something you can use all at the same time. someone that is using 8 'alts" are using 8 different accounts to run 8 different ships to **** your face. No one is stopping you from buying and maintaiing a small fleet of alts. If you can manage to pull that off, gg.


Yes, except the part where I don't have time to play this game 24/7like some of the lifeless basement dwellers on here.

Besides, some of us just want to pay our sub and play with ONE character, like the game is supposed to be played.

Alts represent most of the **** that's broken in this game.

Alt scammers.

Alt dec shields.

Alt Spies.

Alt Bot fleets.

Cyno alts (that a person who plays the game with a single character and account, like me, can't have, and is thus at a disadvantage FROM THE START when it comes to capitals).

Alts killing the character that has a huge bounty to cash in on said bounty.

Margin trade scamming with alts, AND MANY OTHER PROBLEMS LIKE THOSE, that arise because of people that **** with the system using alts.

All this crap started being 50 times worse since CCP put PLEX in the game and allowed people that should have no ******* business playing Eve (unemployed people that can't afford a sub), play the game.

What happens when, one day, less and less people pay for Eve with real money, like me, and buy PLEX for real money, and leave?

I'll tell you what happens, all that will be left will be these ******* basement dwellers with 50 alts they pay for with PlEX, and CCP will go bankrupt, and Eve will DIE.

We already have MANY, MANY people that wouldn't even be in Eve right now if they couldn't pay for it with in game money, which means they will just quit the game when that stops being an option one day.

So yeah, **** alts in Eve, I've been playing since 2007 like a normal person, and I never had or felt the need to cheat the system with alts, or by buying PLEX to fund my ****.

If Eve was F2P, I'd understand this system where you can effectively buy ISK with real money, but when I pay my sub and I am actually at a disadvantage to people who DON'T, that's just bullshit.


Wow well your safe from the other alts on this account and the four other accounts that I pay for for now, but once they rebalance the wardec system are you going to be sure that the Orca and hulks sitting in the belt with you are really miners or are they really spies from a wardec corp looking for your POS. Not sure how you got Eve is supposed to be played with one character, why would they allow multi boxing if this was so.

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-06-21 17:53:40 UTC
I once wondered what the game would have been like if there was only one character per account. Sadly will will never know. Once the cat is out of the bag, you can't put it back.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#89 - 2012-06-21 18:04:12 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
On the other hand, people that make 5 bils a day with their 50 bullshit alts, can just **** over everyone else and they just pay their accounts with PLEX and don't actually suffer from losses at all, then they come over the forums and yell "you mad bro?" every time someone like me has a valid concern about the game, like learning implants being a very necessary but extremely bullshit waste of money that makes ISK broke people like me risk averse.

You know what?

you mad bro?


And sheesh, 50 alts is what, 25billion a month... unless you mean characters and not a 50-man mining fleet. Then it's 8+ bil a month, not bad. Paying your plexes in two days... huh.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#90 - 2012-06-21 18:25:39 UTC
I wish they would get rid of alts too, because the server would die shortly after.

Anyone who thinks it wouldn't is a fanboi with no clue.

I've explained symbiotic relationships many times over, and the smart people don't care because they already understand and try to foster that, and the dumb ones just whine/troll.

I Laugh Out Loud at OP's proposal and anyone who supports it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-06-21 18:35:10 UTC
No because there is no way for CCP to keep people from having multiple accounts in game.
Especially considering you are 9 + years into it.

It is way to late into the game for CCP to even go down this path.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#92 - 2012-06-21 18:37:33 UTC
Remember folks, the OP is talking about alt's on a single account.
Ramon Sohei
The Florez Law Firm
#93 - 2012-06-21 19:23:36 UTC
Aooz wrote:
Alts and alt paranoia are so rife it's game breaking and immersion breaking in my opinion. Try having a conversation about EVE or in EVE without the word "alt" coming up. You're always assumed to be an alt, many times for all practical measure you might as well be an alt.

No one trusts anyone and that might be a cool part of the game if their were vast spy networks involving hundreds of people, but nope it's really just the threat of some nerd with too much time on his hands and an alt account. The lack of trust goes so deep that you quickly find you aren't able to trust anyone with anything as they could be anyone.

I don't think it's great either when you do get an alt "herp derp I'm going to be a space pirate" "one sec let be log on to this other space pilot" "wait, who am I?"

It's kind of sad to that at least 50% of the EVE population are the same people.

Even if you try to get away from alts, you don't have one, you are now at a crippling disadvantage to everyone else.

Yeah it ruins the game imo.


What are you talking about, tying an 1-character per account to a Driver's License or SSN?
Fyi, if have multiple accounts each with one character they are still called alts. Oh, and you can have multiple emails or different IP addresses if you think you can control it that way. It's not going to happen.
Doc Mulder
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-06-21 19:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Mulder
Freezehunter wrote:
Whiney Stuff


Geez, take a facking pill....


Tanae Avalhar wrote:


Besides, some of us just want to pay our sub and play with ONE character, like the game is supposed to be played.



Who are you to say how WE are supposed to play. Besides I don't CARE what you want. I only care what I want...ALTS Hee Hee Hee
lord xavier
Rubbed Out
#95 - 2012-06-21 19:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: lord xavier
LOL. Myself, every single PVPer, every supercapital owner, every 3rd party service, every freighter service, and every single one of my 10 characters finds you ********. System location plx.

Less accounts = Less money for CCP. Good effort in your troll.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#96 - 2012-06-21 19:57:22 UTC
I totally agree with moving alts. They do not make this a better game. Reputation and consequences are what sets Eve apart from other games. Alts water that down. Hiding behind alts is bad for the game. If it were possible (and I know it is not), I would get rid of multiple accounts as well. It's an mmo - play with others.

No good deed goes unpunished
Amarr Haircare Products
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-21 20:10:29 UTC
Totalrx wrote:
Remember folks, the OP is talking about alt's on a single account.


God dammit! You ruined it!
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#98 - 2012-06-21 20:12:24 UTC
My wife says the same thing during sex too Roll
Tanae Avalhar
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-06-21 20:28:08 UTC
My wife says no more alts Sad

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#100 - 2012-06-21 23:30:19 UTC
Tanae Avalhar wrote:
My wife says no more alts Sad



My Wife told me that, too.

A week ago, I told her how I got a great deal on a new toon.

Can I crash on your couch?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon