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Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-06-20 04:16:16 UTC
That's what Bernie wanted.

I wanted you to die horribly.
Lunarstorm95
Godless Horizon.
OnlyFleets.
#22 - 2012-06-20 04:18:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarstorm95
Bernie Nator wrote:
You have to understand, we want you to learn on your own. We don't like spoon feeding people so they get everything handed to them. What's the point of exploring the unknown when you ask for people to tell you what to expect?

Yeesh, go join a larger corp or something to learn.



TBH theirs 3 reason

1) i like my current corp

2) i dont rele trust people

3) the payout for a larger corp with 20 mems compared to payout of a corp with 2 is significantly different

What is the payout for a c5 wh?

And how do bigger corps do payment for whs? What wud my isk per day be like with an average size corp in c5 wh?

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#23 - 2012-06-20 04:27:41 UTC
Lunarstorm95 wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
You have to understand, we want you to learn on your own. We don't like spoon feeding people so they get everything handed to them. What's the point of exploring the unknown when you ask for people to tell you what to expect?

Yeesh, go join a larger corp or something to learn.



TBH theirs 3 reason

1) i like my current corp

2) i dont rele trust people

3) the payout for a larger corp with 20 mems compared to payout of a corp with 2 is significantly different

What is the payout for a c5 wh?

And how do bigger corps do payment for whs? What wud my isk per day be like with an average size corp in c5 wh?

Payouts for c5s are pretty nice. Each corp handles it differently though.

As for trust, it's kind of a large thing in WH space. You have to learn to trust people or you'll die horribly.

And as for what corps are out there, might I direct you to the Notable Wormhole Corps and Alliances at the top of the forum.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-20 04:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
why play an MMO if you dont want to play with others?
bottom line is c5s are NOT solo/2 people friendly.
you also clearly dont have the alts/capabilities to pull it off in low numbers at all.

If you want to talk absolute bare minumums for C5s, you need an archon pilot and 2 navy geddon/mach/vindi pilots to run the sites.

you also need to be orca capable, hauler capable, have MULTIPLE probing alts, salvaging toon and preferably a boosting toon.

and that isnt even starting on anything PVP related...

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Rengas
AQUILA INC
#25 - 2012-06-20 04:45:28 UTC
I'd recommend moving into a Black Hole effect C5 if you wish to run sites.

HG Snake and T2 Skirmish linked Nidhoggur can easily speed tank all the anomalies while repping the Officer Tengu.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-06-20 06:14:02 UTC
Rengas wrote:
I'd recommend moving into a Black Hole effect C5 if you wish to run sites.

HG Snake and T2 Skirmish linked Nidhoggur can easily speed tank all the anomalies while repping the Officer Tengu.



The funny thing is that this is probably completely accurate. Sadly no one will know.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-06-20 06:42:18 UTC
I think what people as trying to impart is that C5 life is going to be vastly different than the lower class wormholes.

You can get away with being a small fry in a C1-4. Largely because those WH don't allow caps. Without caps pos bashing is tedious and many will pass you over unless you give them a good reason.

But in a C5-6 caps can come into your system.

See The people trolling you in this thread, they are going to be your C5 neighbors. And when they come knocking on your door, they are going to expect you to come out and play. If you don't, they are going to come back with a bulldozer and tear your house down so you come play, whether you want to or not.

TLDR. There is more to living in a C5 than being able to run the sites.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#28 - 2012-06-20 09:33:55 UTC
It also helps peoples temperaments when you don't type like a f*king idiot and use decent grammar.


Seriously now, its not that hard.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-06-20 10:29:38 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
It also helps peoples temperaments when you don't type like a f*king idiot and use decent grammar.

Seriously now, its not that hard.

Well Chris, if you love grammar so much then you will be happy to see that I have fixed yours. Cool

fixed grammar wrote:
It also helps people’s temperaments when you don't type like a f*king idiot and use decent grammar.

Seriously now, it’s not that hard. 
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Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-06-20 13:36:02 UTC
Lunarstorm95 wrote:

2) i dont rele trust people



You're going to go places, kid.

Seriously.


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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#31 - 2012-06-20 13:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Trolling aside (let me know your J number and I'll come show you how to run anoms)...

C5s aren't the place for 2 people (unless you have 3 accounts each) - out of boredom once I tried soloing a site with a carrier - it took an average of 250 seconds to kill each of the initial 6x guardians and I'd estimate it would have taken about an hour to do the entire site (I jammed out the ships scramming me and warped out before site completion)... compared to <20 minutes fully escalated with 4 chars + gangbooster.

(Dunno if anyone else have ever tested it but alternating between firbolgs and einherji showed a massive difference in actual applied dps on sleeper battleships - I was getting ~880dps average with firbolgs but only a little over 300dps with einherji - need to test the other 2 at some point but I didn't have any with me).

EDIT: Out of interest were you planning on armor tanking the tengu or putting a shield repper on the archon?
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-20 14:18:19 UTC
Lunarstorm95 wrote:
I currently live in a C3 WH with another friend we make decent money but want to upgrade. I will be getting into Archon soon.

Was wondering if a compensation of a pimped out tengu and a Archon would be enough to do a C5 anom?

Now i haven't looked much into c5s that's y i am asking.

With what we have to work with can we do these sites?

Please don't criticize im just wondering if what we have available is enough to upgrade whs

If not what else wud we need?

Also idk much about Cap escalation, can some on give me a rundown of that?

Thanks in advance for the CONTRUCTIVE criticism.



no. 2 people arent enough to do class 5 sites, unless you have a lot of alts.

Capital escalations are simple. you warp a capital in, and it spawns 6 more sleeper battleships. the 2nd capital of the same class will spawn 8 more. These battleships are much stronger then the normal battleships in c5's, which are a lot stronger then those in a c3.

the main problem you have is simple dps. the carrier can be neglected for that since the drones will just die. its there as a logistics platform, not to do damage. so the only thing you have for damage is a tengu. The tengu will simply lack the damage to finish sites, it wont be able to overcome the RR from the sleepers. basically, youll be stuck in the site untill infinity, or, if your carrier is badly fit untill its neuted out (and yes, this is a real thread in c5 and c6, even for capitals)

what else would you need? a lot more pilots. with less then 5 dps pilots you simply shouldnt be trying to do c5 sites
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#33 - 2012-06-20 14:33:24 UTC
Finally someone who isn't just here to troll!

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#34 - 2012-06-20 14:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Hathrul wrote:
[quote=Lunarstorm95]

the main problem you have is simple dps. the carrier can be neglected for that since the drones will just die. its there as a logistics platform, not to do damage. so the only thing you have for damage is a tengu. The tengu will simply lack the damage to finish sites, it wont be able to overcome the RR from the sleepers. basically, youll be stuck in the site untill infinity, or, if your carrier is badly fit untill its neuted out (and yes, this is a real thread in c5 and c6, even for capitals)

what else would you need? a lot more pilots. with less then 5 dps pilots you simply shouldnt be trying to do c5 sites


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the carrier - tho I'm not entirely sure I'm in favor of the fit - either using fighters with sebo(s)/target slot increase mods or sentry drones with damage mods you can put down a fair amount of effective DPS and can tank the guardians out of triage fine with the "right" fit. I'm not a fan of using a carrier without a support fleet and a proper PVP fit on it though but if you were trying to do them with just 2 people that would be somewhat academic anyhow.

If you were trying to do them with just carrier + subcaps I don't reccomend doing them with anything less than a combined ~2.5k dps i.e. carrier + nightmare x2 or carrier + nightmare + tengu x2, etc.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#35 - 2012-06-20 19:07:17 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
It also helps peoples temperaments when you don't type like a f*king idiot and use decent grammar.

Seriously now, its not that hard.

Well Chris, if you love grammar so much then you will be happy to see that I have fixed yours. Cool

fixed grammar wrote:
It also helps people’s temperaments when you don't type like a f*king idiot and use decent grammar.

Seriously now, it’s not that hard.


Decent does not mean perfect my friend.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-20 21:58:05 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
[quote=Lunarstorm95]

the main problem you have is simple dps. the carrier can be neglected for that since the drones will just die. its there as a logistics platform, not to do damage. so the only thing you have for damage is a tengu. The tengu will simply lack the damage to finish sites, it wont be able to overcome the RR from the sleepers. basically, youll be stuck in the site untill infinity, or, if your carrier is badly fit untill its neuted out (and yes, this is a real thread in c5 and c6, even for capitals)

what else would you need? a lot more pilots. with less then 5 dps pilots you simply shouldnt be trying to do c5 sites


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the carrier - tho I'm not entirely sure I'm in favor of the fit - either using fighters with sebo(s)/target slot increase mods or sentry drones with damage mods you can put down a fair amount of effective DPS and can tank the guardians out of triage fine with the "right" fit. I'm not a fan of using a carrier without a support fleet and a proper PVP fit on it though but if you were trying to do them with just 2 people that would be somewhat academic anyhow.

If you were trying to do them with just carrier + subcaps I don't reccomend doing them with anything less than a combined ~2.5k dps i.e. carrier + nightmare x2 or carrier + nightmare + tengu x2, etc.



from experience i know that killing the elite BS with a carrier takes ages. and the drones will die as well, though fighters can be repped in time. simply said, its not viable
Vik Flagge
TheAuthority
#37 - 2012-06-20 22:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Vik Flagge
This thread is epic. But in all seriousness, being able to run a site is not the biggest concern when deciding whether you can handle a given class of wormhole. With only 2 people involved, almost any wandering fleet will destroy you. The bigger and badder your ships are, the more you're going to lose to the PVP side of the fence. With only two people running sites, don't fly anything that costs more than a billion and a half per ship, and by extension, don't attempt any sites you can't pull off in a 1.5 billion isk tech 3. Stick to C3's, tops. Multibillion isk ships that can duo C4 premiums will still pop when a battlecruiser fleet jumps them, so only run those kind of fittings with a decent sized fleet. Unless you don't mind factoring in massive losses into your overhead.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#38 - 2012-06-20 23:42:27 UTC
Hathrul wrote:

from experience i know that killing the elite BS with a carrier takes ages. and the drones will die as well, though fighters can be repped in time. simply said, its not viable


I wasn't meaning to solo them with the carrier just that along with a minimal amount of ships they can be setup to provide a reasonable amount of dps as well as repping - even with 2-3 ships in support the aggression on fighters is much reduced.
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#39 - 2012-06-21 04:28:12 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
That's what Bernie wanted.

I wanted you to die horribly.


:thumbs up:

In a completely unrelated note...

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#40 - 2012-06-21 09:07:06 UTC
Please please please tell us what the name of your new c5 is going to be. We just want to help you out Twisted

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