EVE General Discussion

Differentiate = turn it into an useless ghetto.

i think when the mother of all wars broke out in Delve it kind of killed the thread's premise that 0.0 was dying

I say it makes the argument stronger. So currently Delve is exciting, but the other regions INCLUDING Delve have the same problems that have been discussed. I see null as this staving homeless man on the street. Yes tossing him that half eaten sandwich you didn't want (current Delve war) may seem exciting for the moment, but all those problems will only take a back seat for a few moments.

Is Delve on wheat or rye bread?

That's like saying the fact you get laid means you no longer have bad breath.

In the morning she will be gone, and your breath will still smell like ****.

Holy Crap... i just read 60 pages, just so i could be informed of the opinions already posted.

Hi all, as you can see i'm Togg. I'm High sec right now...again as i dont have the time to invest in low sec/null sec fun. that will change. i'm sure that by the time a few of you have read this line i have probably been investigated by 1/2 a dozen people already. i'll make it easy, yes this is my main, untill just recently i have had only this account and this toon. i have been in hi-sec, i've lived in low sec, and i have lived in Null sec as well.

there have been several great points made here, i'll try not to miss them.

Null sec Sov... it needs to be burned to the ground. what worked in 2005 does not work today, period. burn it and start over.

Null sec needs better refining and industrial abilities, this is something that is in my opinion UNQUESTIONABLE. does it need to rival hi-sec perfectly or go beyond hi-sec. i dont think it should, but getting a 85% or 90% should be a reasonable request.

NPC corp.. there needs to be a freaking time limit on how long you can stay.

a tax in high sec citizens for subsidizing improvements to null sec, hell yes. but it needs to be fair.

i know i am missing several good points... but hey, forgive me just sat and read 60 pages of GD.

these points, and the ones i failed to mention have for the most part been overshadowed and probably lost on most people because of the 50 odd other pages devoted to nothing but levels of vilness and outright hatred of other EvE citizens by other groups of EvE citizens.

JB's are fine and working as intended leave them alone. leave lvl 4's alone, CCP isnt gonna nerf them into lowsec because a POSSIBLE loss of subscriptions would mean less real life money for them. moongoo we have ,it we need it, quite trying to freaking make it more expensive than it already it is.

a few people on either side of this discussion have done more harm to their cause than almost the total combined good thats been placed out here by both sides.

the dependancy of Null sec on hi sec and vice versa, isnt a design flaw. its a purposly designed element. CCP didnt make 3 games on one mainframe.. null sec is dependant on hi-sec for certain things it cant get. same is true about hi-sec needing the minerals that can only be found in low sec.

this is eve its ,harsh, no sector is totally independant. one dies and chaos insues and then eve really will die.

then make it the default setting

And an ignore all posts by Goon alts forum option.

But then, the forum would be nearly empty and only show CCP posts and a sparse true NPC corp poster / AAA pet here and there...

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The majority of this thread is full of stupidity.

All I see is nerf this, nerf that, nerf, nerf, nerf.

You can't solve a game by nerfing it back to 2003.

Have you all forgoten that there was a time not long ago when 0.0 was massively populated.
Then a few not too clever people decided to call for nerfing to sanctums even thought they knew it would lead to massive migration to high sec. Now we know that around 50% of people living in 0.0 left. Thats a BIG percentage. Now you are all crying cos you see too few people. To all of you that voted for the nerf, GOOD PLAN!

Then you decided that nerfing incursion will get people back to 0.0. So yeah nerf this too. Now incursions are dead and everybody know this. Did this brought more people to 0.0? NO

Now you are asking to nerf high sec. Is this gonna bring more people to 0.0? Ofcource NOT cos they are gona move to wormhole.

So next thing is you are gonna ask is to nerf wormhole. Is this gonna solve this solution? Ofcource NOT cos they are gonna move into the next big thing or quit the game all together.

The solution is not to nerf stuff but instead to entice people to go somewhere!

0.0 is too expensive to live for small entities and also they cant hold agaist a NAPfest. Not to mention that a mear whisper of a new neutral entity in town will make every pvp panties wet for light years across in all directions.

Also the sight of cloaking perma cloakers 24/7 players without been able to be detected is a nice deterent to go and do something else. Yeah, props that, cos this is helping people to stay online! Congratulation on this too!

If there is something that we have learned from years and years of making the same mistake over and over again, is that you cant force people to do things. They will simply do always what they want and or the next big thing! But there is a solution....

If you really want to make 0.0 prosperous make it cheaper to live by smaller entities and provide a method for them to make good isk just like it was during the year prior the sanctum nerf. Ignore 0.0 and the rest of EVE comunity will ignore it too!

I'm well past my expiration date then. We have a clear disconnect between likelihood and certainty.