EVE General Discussion

Nothing major need happen to lure people out to null sec.

1) High end ores in NPC null sec needs to be replaced into the belts to promote industry. At present you may as well stay in high sec and mine the ores as they are the same as you find in null sec npc belts. Or up the chances of Grav sites spawning in Null Sec.

2) Allow players to have some control over the systems they live in in NPC null sec. not saying it should be like sov space, but some where in between.

3) Make Null sec more independant so the players do not have to rely on equipment coming in from High Sec all the time.

4) When ring mining goes live implement it in NPC space as well. So we can all have a bite at the cherry, not just the Sov holders.

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There seems to have been some kind of . . . .

something...

not sure if serious though...

dont understand.

Game is a sandbox,this is a result of player action influencing the environment of the game. why should that natural evolution be altered to suit your desires? Or your idea on what is good for the game?

If people truely wanted active nullsec it would be like that. what they really want is safe entrenched alliances they can be perfectly safe in whilst still believing they are hardcore because they are not in highsec.

I'm not sure that trying to enforce one particular groups idea of what the game should be over the natural evolution of the game is a good idea to be honest

While there is some truth in this, the industrial gap is not player controlled because the game mechanics of the Null Sec Stations and POS's are jank. This is not something that is player driven. It is a game mechanic that needs to be examined and remedied.

The income in Null Sec is not player driven. It is a mechanic and one that needs to evaluated closely to avoiding further mudflation (I believe that term was given by Sumi Kisumi sorrry if I misspelled it). The extra incentive for people living in Null to be able to stay in Null to live, without having to alt L4s in High Sec, has to come from somewhere. Thus the tax on High Sec holdings. Not unreasonable in my opinion.

You were talking about hisec? Funny, I thought you were talking about nullsec.

Anyhow, I fail to see what the problem is with teaching the hisec playerbase that hisec stands for high security, not total security. The amount of whining seems to indicate that a lot of people in hisec seems to need a reminder of this fact right about now.


They cost ISK to run, they're a ***** to move minerals to all the time, they require the BPO/BPCs to either be stored on the POS or in a corp hangar in a station which means giving people roles, the amount of minerals which can be stored in one go is severely limited, etc etc etc. I could go on listing drawbacks which stations do not have. vOv

As to more capacity than any system in hisec, I just looked quickly around jita, and there's a hisec system with 550 generic slots in them. The best I can do with a single POS, any race, was 245 ammo assembly slots or 490 of various other types (less if we were looking at ships, since they require SMAs as well). And the only thing they do better than hisec stations is quicker manufacturing, none of them use less minerals, some of them do however sacrifice mineral efficiency for an additional time bonus.

Edit: Oh yeah, those 550 slots are slots you can use for more or less anything, whereas a POS has to be setup to do a specific task, or it has to be setup to be a jack of all trades POS, which would then be severely limited compared to the hisec system.


Not all types of moongoo exists in all areas of nullsec, which means that any way you slice it, it has to be imported. And given that it's both cheaper, easier and less work to just cherrypick and export highend minerals and moongoo, build **** in hisec and export it back out to nullsec, that's exactly what people do.

The only reason to really try to have an empire in nullsec, with the current rules and mechanics, which is more or less entirely funded and sourced (with regards to warships etc for defense) with locally sourced minerals and moongoo etc, is to do it "just to prove I can". And that's fine, but that doesn't really work in the long run in as competitive an environment as nullsec is, not with the rules we have now. Because they'll be severely limited by how much minerals they can source, while f.ex we would be limited by how many ships and modules we could afford to buy off of Jita market. Which means, we'd be dumb not to go there.


Still costs more than a station to operate, still takes much more work than a station, still is severely limited in terms of output capacity compared to a station, meaning they'll lose in absolutely every scenario imaginable.

One of the biggest issues people forget is becoming a mere puppet or slave to monolith alliances.

Why would I put money and time to serve the interests of some people who probably don't give **** about me.

I play the game to have fun, not to have a second job. If the game isn't fun I will take my money and time somewhere else.

What does an average grunt have to gain from being in nullsec? Fleet fights are hardly any fun and killing something has no

achievement when you have hundreds of people on the killmail.

In order to survive in nullsec you have to serve the large coalitions that exist.

I don't give crap about serving some faceless rulers..

I fly in space and do as I please.

I venture free.

So why do you continue to punish yourselves with living in null and be mad at those of us who choose to have fun elsewhere?

Only null sec players can make null sec vibrant again. Game content is what you make of it. EVE by itself is dull and boring without player interaction. It is the players in the game that add flavor and value. Then the current null sec crop of players need to be replaced to make null vibrant again. For they are incompetent at enhancing their own fun. It is not like null sec is empty either.
Over 20,000 players in null.

/mindblown . . .

Look, I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but, when the physical mechanics of a thing impede players from doing /whatever, instead of enhance the ability to do /whatever...

Don't you think that would call for /something?

I'm not sure mudflation is the word you're looking for, though, for the most part it's probably more monetary inflation. I'm not sure about resource inflation, as we just had an estimated 40% cut in mineral supply after the drone regions were nerfed, and mudflation I think is more a case of equipment becoming worthless.