EVE General Discussion

I've been there, plan on going back with another character I'm training for t2 frigates. Being kinda' lazy at the moment, so just training for now. I'm sure there are also places in low-sec with less activity than I've run into.

Null sec, though...every time, podded. *sigh*

The problem with this is level 4 missions are not as great as you people say they are. also CCP did something like this with the most profitable types of missions. Here's how it went.

stick - Level V's went to low sec, loot drops didn't change and mission rewards did not increase.

carrot - Level V's went to low sec

How did that turn out? Not well. Do you honestly think making level 4's into low sec WITHOUT changing the mission running system would magically repopulate low sec? Are all of you that think this morons? Or do you just don't pay attention? Just bringing level 4's to low sec will not give enough reward for the risk. I wouldn't run level 1 missions in low sec if I still ran missions because I would get the SAME EXACT rewards as if i was running missions in a 1.0 space. Same goes for null sec. So where is the carrot exactly? The privilege of running missions in low sec? Your plan sir sounds like a huge stick with a little itty bitty carrot. As far as those that would want to run missions. Those who just want to get easy kills on people that run missions in low? They get more of a carrot.

THE TRUTH OF EVE IS NOT GREATER RISK GREATER REWARD. THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE. CREATED BY LOW SEC DWELLERS SO THEY CAN GANK YOU. THE TRUTH IS YOU GET THE SAME REWARD RUNNING MISSIONS IN NPC NULL AND LOW SEC AS YOU DO IN EMPIRE.

If you want to bring more people into these areas you don't do it by putting level IV's in lo sec. The high sec dwellers would stay in high sec and run level 3's. So then you put all of them but 1's. They will go do something else. Leaving low sec still unpopulated. If you really really really want to bring more people in to these areas to make money through mission running you would have to suggest something that is actually intelligent. You are going to have to propose something that balances out the long neglected mission system. First increase the bounties, or make elite ships more common in these missions, then increase the rewards. Then set the loot drops to drop more than high sec.

Instead of pulling all the level IV's to low sec why not make Level V's more attractive? Like making more Level V agents, making the loot drop better loot than found in level 4's. Make it so at least one faction spawn in a Level V will drop a random faction item.

Add pirate level IV epic arcs, as well as give the npc 0.0 Level V agents. Create Level V epic arcs that go through low sec and null sec only. Make it so that the arc sends you to a nearby npc 0.0 system. Of course all of these are solutions that actually would solve the problems and not make more of it. For a carrot to actually be effective it has to at least look big juicy and edible. Not like a dried out turd. Which is what the quotes OP is trying to entice you with a dried out turd, that wouldn't bring a single person to low. It would just cause a massive QQ fest. Which is probably the real reason why he didn't suggest increasing the reward to properly out weigh the risks.



I couldn't agree more my plan would solve the problem of lo sec being depopulated. It would also entice more players to go live in npc 0.0. So everything becomes a little more balanced.

Actually the OP makes no mention of nerfing or moving L4s nor any mentions of either sticks or carrots. Credit where credit is due: those ridiculous comments were made by someone other than the OP.

Also I agree. Moving L4s to low-sec will have the same effect as moving L5s to low-sec: none.

Eve is a sandbox.It is developing of its own accord.This I keep reading.Outside of empire space one is free to do wharever one wants.Therefore nullsec dwellers created where they live and todays situation.Noone else is to blame for the lack of cannon fodder for them.

I've been to null before, and it was an absolutely awful experience. I had been flying my wolf down to run some pirate missions and jumped right into a gate camp! Needless to say my surprise at all the manly testosterone-fueled epeenmobiles caught me completely off-guard, and I spilled my just-opened bottle of Mountain Dew Code Red (tm) all over me keyboard. In my attempt to clean the delicious liquid from my keys I had accidentally posted a most eloquent sonnet of Shakespearean proportions into local, unexpectedly causing the gate campers to break down into tears joy, as my tender words caressed their heartstrings... Instead of being podded, I was recruited into their ranks and asked to make sweet melody while they bashed pos's and ran alarm clock ops. I did so simply for fear of my own life, and to this day remain imprisoned by this terrible alliance - forever doomed to chirp like parakeet in gilded chains.

And the worst was I didn't even get a dramiel bpc...

Making nulsec vibrant again...

Have you tried shampoo? I hear some of them are really awesome at just such a thing!

You can have more than one director ...

No I am not saying I am doing it for low sec. Never have I said that. I want these changes because I want other options than high sec, if for some reason I have to move out of null. I would rather stay in the low sec systems during the transition between joining a new alliance than empire. But there is no real incentive to live there. Yes I want to pad my wallet and my killboard. But not the way you are implying.

By improving mission rewards and increasing the number of level V agents and corporations that have level V agents you would do just that. Since not only level V agents are in low and npc null (there are no level V's in npc null I do not think. Which is wrong.). So to keep balance CCP would have to increase the reward. Which I outlined how they can do that. More mission runners coming to low sec means more mission runners that would need independent logistics support. Or to provide pvp support by ganking those trying to gank your mission ship.

Improving mission running in low and npc null would bring more players to those areas. People who are afraid that pirates are coming to gank them and want some kind of pvp specific support. I would rather get paid by a mission runner to gank the gankers. Than gank a mission runner. Improving low and null in such a way would be beneficial to me and support what I want to do in EVE. The idea of improving on a system that really needs to be improved upon will bring more people into low and null.



There is no loser in that situation :P Unless I fail..then everyone loses.

As long as people don't trust people in EVE, I will be trustworthy and keep to my word. As long as backstabbing, scheming and other asshattery that is going on. I will be truthful, honest, and act with integrity. Why? Because I am a troll son haven't you noticed? I like to be the opposite side just because there is no opposition. I don't want to go with the flow, I want to make the people mad that make you carebears and ponies mad Why? Same reason they do what they do, It is insanely fun. That and I get BJ points from my wife for every griefer I get on my killboard. So I get a reward in and outside of EVE for trying to play how I want to play.

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That would mean there is a linear progression to the sandbox. I just ran and dived in the deep end of the pool and had fun. I have been in null since 3.5m sp. I have seen players in alliances that are true noobs with 900k sp and still have fun in null. I honestly do not think Low sec should be viewed that way. Null sec is not the end-game. Low sec isn't mid way through. They are just places to fly in. If a noob wants to not do the tutorials and just jump into null sec he should be able to.

Low sec and null sec are similar only in the way that people can attack others, without Concord popping your ship. .

Of course in low sec you get a sec status hit and if you are in something smaller than a cruiser and are gate or station camping the guns will pop you quick. But Concord's OP fleet of doom doesn't decend upon you.

Other than that they are completely different, and work differently. Knowledge of how to pvp in one does not always mean you will be successful in the other.

No he did not, he just said l4 missions removed from hi- stick then repeated the same thing as a carrot. Without any rebalancing of the mission system the change Kimmi proposed is a carrot that looks like a dried up turd. I.e. the only carrot is for the pirates.