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Making nullsec vibrant again

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Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#441 - 2012-06-20 21:01:14 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
The way I see it overall is how everyone wants to solve the problem but simply refuse accepting any of the solutions that would actually solve said problems.

Indeed. It seems it's more important to win the forum war than it is to improve the game.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#442 - 2012-06-20 21:01:58 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
As if it hasn't been explained, multiple times in this thread alone.

Why is there power blocs in null? Why isn't an alliance enough?

Question not specifically a Lord Sim only, but I would like to hear his take on it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#443 - 2012-06-20 21:02:01 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
building dreads in lowsec and reprocessing them in null to gather the components needed.

Goodness. How many dreads need to be reprocessed to make a titan?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#444 - 2012-06-20 21:11:50 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
dontbanmebro wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Well this thread went to ****.


Says legendary "constructive poster", marlona sky.

Maybe if people stop talking about things they're utterly clueless of, other people won't have to spend ten pages disabusing them of their ridiculous opinions

You could always explain how things really work in those aspects of the game instead of badgering them with insults and personal attacks.

this has been tried with you many times marlona sky

we, not being insane, have chosen to cease wondering if the same action will produce different results

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#445 - 2012-06-20 21:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
building dreads in lowsec and reprocessing them in null to gather the components needed.

Goodness. How many dreads need to be reprocessed to make a titan?


Tons.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#446 - 2012-06-20 21:12:49 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Why is there power blocs in null? Why isn't an alliance enough?

Bacon.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#447 - 2012-06-20 21:13:14 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
As if it hasn't been explained, multiple times in this thread alone.

Why is there power blocs in null? Why isn't an alliance enough?

Question not specifically a Lord Sim only, but I would like to hear his take on it.

0.0 is for empire building. Therefore, we build empires. This being a harsh game, part of the fun is that you're not guaranteed an empire and if we want to squash yours we can and that is not a design flaw.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#448 - 2012-06-20 21:14:55 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Why is there power blocs in null?


Because numbers generally help win fights.

Marconus Orion wrote:
Why isn't an alliance enough?


While you may not want to share an alliance with some group, you are more than happy to share a loose strategic arrangement with them.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and guess that you're operating under some "powerblocs are bad" paradigm, which is actually utterly false. Nullsec is a byzantine maze of overt and covert relations among individuals and groups. This is a natural and desirable product of the way the nullsec game is designed.
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#449 - 2012-06-20 21:16:05 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
I have not been able to read all of this thread yet as I am at work. I am looking forward to reading the rest in its entirety. I have read the first 10-ish pages and think that we are actually having a constructive discussion about these issues and I think that is a good thing. I would encourage everyone to continue being constructive. By all means, state your opinions and do so in a constructive way. I am very encouraged by a lot of the posts and discussion taking place here. Don't mind me, just ****ing off at work. Please continue. Big smile


Agreed.

There was a nice little exchange earlier, I think around page 7, where there were 2 people on different sides of the argument.. one was obviously making the effort to understand the other's point, and the other was making the effort to explain it nicely. We need more of that. Hell, even Weaselior made some politely informative posts before he put his villain mask back on..

Sometimes, devs do dumb stuff (and I'm not just talking about taking the antennae of the front of my Curse..). If we, as players, could actually present a more united front on what's needed, it can only be good for the game - but it's not going to work if we're at each other's throats all the time screaming like 5 year olds about how goons/carebears (delete as applicable) are ruining the game. Nobody ever convinced anyone they were right by saying "UR WRONG SHUT UP!", and if you're not looking to get your point across then why post in the first place?

Let's at least make an effort to understand where the other side is coming from, otherwise whatever changes or criticisms we offer are not going to be balanced in favour of the game as a whole.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#450 - 2012-06-20 21:18:03 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Running hisec L4s in an officer-fit CNR is undoubtedly more dangerous than running anoms in nullsec in, well, anything.

Ugh, officer-fit faction Ravens.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#451 - 2012-06-20 21:18:28 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
I have not been able to read all of this thread yet as I am at work. I am looking forward to reading the rest in its entirety. I have read the first 10-ish pages and think that we are actually having a constructive discussion about these issues and I think that is a good thing. I would encourage everyone to continue being constructive. By all means, state your opinions and do so in a constructive way. I am very encouraged by a lot of the posts and discussion taking place here. Don't mind me, just ****ing off at work. Please continue. Big smile


Agreed.

There was a nice little exchange earlier, I think around page 7, where there were 2 people on different sides of the argument.. one was obviously making the effort to understand the other's point, and the other was making the effort to explain it nicely. We need more of that. Hell, even Weaselior made some politely informative posts before he put his villain mask back on..

Sometimes, devs do dumb stuff (and I'm not just talking about taking the antennae of the front of my Curse..). If we, as players, could actually present a more united front on what's needed, it can only be good for the game - but it's not going to work if we're at each other's throats all the time screaming like 5 year olds about how goons/carebears (delete as applicable) are ruining the game. Nobody ever convinced anyone they were right by saying "UR WRONG SHUT UP!", and if you're not looking to get your point across then why post in the first place?

Let's at least make an effort to understand where the other side is coming from, otherwise whatever changes or criticisms we offer are not going to be balanced in favour of the game as a whole.


it's hard to present as a unified front when one side literally wants nullsec dwellers to be punished for living in nullsec through tedium for tedium's sake

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#452 - 2012-06-20 21:21:22 UTC
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

No trolling please
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#453 - 2012-06-20 21:22:00 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Nobody ever convinced anyone they were right by saying "UR WRONG SHUT UP!", and if you're not looking to get your point across then why post in the first place?

There comes a time when one guy demonstrates so thoroughly that he either doesn't get it, doesn't want to get it, or pretends to not get it to troll, that expending tons of energy explaining to him, for the 10th time, why he's wrong is a waste of time.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#454 - 2012-06-20 21:23:25 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

Changing mechanics to entirely favor one side is stupid.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#455 - 2012-06-20 21:23:56 UTC
Delen Ormand wrote:
Let's at least make an effort to understand where the other side is coming from, otherwise whatever changes or criticisms we offer are not going to be balanced in favour of the game as a whole.


When there`s an invested and informed ``side`` against an uninvested and uninformed ``side`` there`s no point to ``understanding``, only a need to demonstrate that the uninformed and uninvested shouldn`t be talking at all.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#456 - 2012-06-20 21:24:28 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

Changing mechanics to entirely favor one side is stupid.

but it'll fix afk cloaking!

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#457 - 2012-06-20 21:25:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
it's hard to present as a unified front when one side literally wants nullsec dwellers to be punished for living in nullsec through tedium for tedium's sake

My suggestion is to ignore those posts and focus on the constructive ones.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#458 - 2012-06-20 21:25:13 UTC
you won't know he's there so he won't be able to terrorize you by being afk, you see

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#459 - 2012-06-20 21:29:57 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
you won't know he's there so he won't be able to terrorize you by being afk, you see


it's funny how GS basically made AFK cloaking into what it is by using it against RISE

and now a lot of the j4gs and mrchis whine about it

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#460 - 2012-06-20 21:30:06 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Change how local works. Surprise buttsex always spices up life.

Changing mechanics to entirely favor one side is stupid.


Not exactly sure whose side gets favored, seeing as how it would affect everyone. There is no local in wh space and no such favortism exists.

No trolling please