EVE General Discussion

Your carrot needs work, doesn't really add anything new or more profitable. Just more of the same.

If that were the case it wouldn't be worth asking for as nothing would change.

Dunno, between the extra caution, needing to secure an area to run, losses, etc. and having this all exasperated by a higher population, unless you are already in the entrenched groups you mentioned, it sounds better to just smash 3's in highsec.

To each his own, though considering how fast 3's can be done, it's not as bad as you think. Best profits come from wise use of LP anyways.

The newbies in rifters take issue with that.

Rifters ~

I don't think you understand carebears anymore than carebears understand you. All Level 5s moved to low sec. Some people ran them others just continued to do Level 4s in High Sec.

If you move Level 4s to Low Sec some people will take a chance on them but many will just do Level 3s in High Sec instead and 2 years from now you will want Level 3s moved to Low Sec.

You solution does not get at the root of the problem. It is a knee jerk reaction designed to increase the number of targets in Low Sec for you to shoot at. But this kind of change will not bring about the desired result. Just as the migration of all Level 5s did not bring about the desired result.

I find it comical that you want to change the way people play so that they feel motivated to join you in Low and Null Sec and yet at every turn you seem to insult, disparage, and bully every person who does not agree with you. If you are any measure of the type of person that people will have to deal with in Low and Null Sec, it becomes clear why people stay in High Sec.

Here is another example of what people can look forward to in Null Sec.

I do not despise you for what you do. I do not lobby on the forums for changes in mechanics to make my game more safe or fun. I do not agree with your opinion though I do recognize your right to have one.

The staleness in Null Sec that the OP is trying to address is a direct result of the actions of the residents of that area. Many Null Sec residents believe that if they change High Sec it will invigorate Null Sec. Please explain to me how that works. Personally, I believe that if they wanted to make it less stale they have the means to do so already.

I am going to suggest what I have been told since day one about EVE. EVE is only as good as you make it.
Therefore I suggest the problem is not null sec vs high sec. The problem is the players in null sec itself.
If they are not engaged in the game then they are the problem. We have met the enemy and they are us!

This idea that null is dying is not new. Many players make the comment that null is boring even null players themselves.
And to that I say again look in the mirror. High sec is not nulls problem. Null sec is nulls problem. Doctor heal thy self.

I do not think it is CCP's problem either. The game has evolved into what the players have made it. IE. Null is the way it is because of the players in null. Not because of high sec.

My brilliant solution: A level 1 pirate epic arc in the mould of Blood-Stained Stars. The missions can be accomplished in a competent T1 frigate, you'd be given a tour of a subset of NPC nullsec, and at one point you'll be able to select a pirate faction to ally you in a battle against a CONCORD foe. In return for a large increase to your standing with the selected faction (7% like SoE, say, but you get in addition whatever amount is required to escape the "you can only do L1 missions for us" area of negative faction standing), you get a large decrease in your standing with all empires.

As a token anti-camping gesture, since this is supposed to entice people into nullsec: the entire arc of missions can be completed/accepted remotely, and none of the missions will couriers.

Red text in the missions should cram 'player skill' information about nullsec, advice on how to use the map to plot a reasonable course to Venal, etc.

The upsides of this:

1. People can explicitly choose to complete this arc and reject the empires and be given a standings kick in the butt to this end, as rookies once more mildly did with Letters of Recommendation into FW.

2. Consequently, more people in NPC null, which is right next door to sov null, on the way to sov null, and only accessible through sov null, depending. Life in NPC null doesn't need to be great, it just needs to be greased a bit - there is already the powerful attraction of pirates being 'cool'; and once you're there, you'll naturally be interested in what your neighbors are up, so the new blood flows into all of nullsec.

The downsides:

1. What's easier for new players / 'mains' is just as easier for soulless farming alts who will reduce the income from LP and then disappear off to their 'real jobs' rather than live in and enliven the area.

And this is why florists should never be tapped to remove a tumor that is deep within the brain.

Whatever, I'm just amazed that after all this time, the-smarter-than-your-average-MMO-players still don't get it. This game will get run into the ground for a little self-gratification and sense of entitlement.

LOL


You know what will happen right?

Nullsec will become highsec, with a bunch of people paying concord.

Jita would die, but then a system in each null area would be picked to play the same role. Major sov holders will essentially be forced to be space police for ever, with nothing else to do.

Hence, they leave. It snowballs.

Game dies.

Understand this: Burn Jita proved the problem is not mechanics per se, but how incentives are spread. What matters is sov, and the resources it brings. Everything else is the cost of doing business.

What you propose will simple entrench all that is wrong with null today, while breaking the steady influx of new players that bring cash and plex into the system.

All that moon goo isk needs to be generated by someone, and it is not generated in Null.

It is simple economics. Null and empire have a symbiosis, and a tension, and that is a key motor of the economy. You stop that, the economy dies, or becomes the barter/wage slavery of null, were the measure of success is a plex a month, and you get all your stuff giving to you by the indies of your alliance for zero isk.

Your voodoo economics would be the doom of EVE, in real money terms, as well as isk and plex.

Given the "indies" seem to mostly advertise their capitals and supercapitals, I wouldn't worry about getting them for zero isk.