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Marconus Orion

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 468

#221 - 2012-06-20 16:35:05 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

Riedle wrote:

First and foremost - need to severely nerf or get rid of altogether 0 jump bridges.
Why?

Glad you asked. This makes is relatively easy for some players to dominate a relatively large section of space out of whack with the numbers of people in their alliance/coalition. If we severely nerf jump bridges what we are doing is nerfing power projections and therefore we are encouraging more small/mid size sov owning alliances which encourages more people to set up shop in null. No matter how large and powerful an alliance in null is, it will be hard to convince 400 pilots to jump 50 jumps to shoot a POS. lol Therefore, less will and coalitions/large alliances become more localized and are unable to vast swaths of empty space like they do today.

Oh look, another incompetent "hurr nerf jumpbridges it will nerf power projection" post.

I'm going to assume that you have absolutely no idea how nullsec warfare actually works, and that you think this concept of "forward staging systems" is just something I made up right now.

Why go to the trouble of setting up multiple "forward staging systems" on the edges of your territory when you can have one home system and if something goes down, grab the closest jump bridge/Titan bridge and be there in a few moments??

Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim.

Nicolo da'Vicenza

Viziam

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 3,706

#222 - 2012-06-20 16:36:31 UTC | Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza

Riedle wrote:

Example: Pandemic Legion

2k member alliance that owns tech moons comparable to the entire 36k CFC, has no sov, has no jump bridges

but how is that possible, jump bridges mean you autowin right?

Richard Desturned

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 1,853

#223 - 2012-06-20 16:37:28 UTC

Marconus Orion wrote:

clearly jump bridges allow an invasion 7 regions away to be staged from home

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration


Nicolo da'Vicenza Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 3,706	#224 - 2012-06-20 16:39:00 UTC jump bridges are the PL tech cartel backbone

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

Likes received: 19,001

#225 - 2012-06-20 16:39:01 UTC

Richard Desturned wrote:

Marconus Orion wrote:

clearly jump bridges allow an invasion 7 regions away to be staged from home

I know I never have to get my megathrons half way across known space to get to the staging point ever Straight

Nicolo da'Vicenza

Viziam

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 3,706

#226 - 2012-06-20 16:40:51 UTC | Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza

baltec1 wrote:

Richard Desturned wrote:

Marconus Orion wrote:

clearly jump bridges allow an invasion 7 regions away to be staged from home

I know I never have to get my megathrons half way across known space to get to the staging point ever Straight

I dunno how -A- and the SC could have based themselves in Stain and fought the DRF without their jump bridges

dontbanmebro

Doomheim

Likes received: 42

#227 - 2012-06-20 16:41:24 UTC

Marconus Orion wrote:

...you're asking as if you know the answer, when the answer is that nullsec alliances do deploy and don't use JBs to "project power". Your suggestion is directly refutable by verifiable facts. You should stop posting about topics you know nothing about, especially when someone has already explained why you are wrong.

Marconus Orion wrote:

Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim.

Yes he can. He already has. All you have done is suggest some fact that is directly refutable by verifiable facts. Again, if you don't know, don't talk.


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#228 - 2012-06-20 16:41:35 UTC greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life) npc alts have no opinions worth consideration


Marconus Orion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 468	#229 - 2012-06-20 16:41:40 UTC Richard Desturned wrote: http://i.imgur.com/uOTJ4.jpg tell me more about how you can't find an open slot near jita, I found hundreds, 35 in just one station that doesn't count the slots that will be free within hours Seriously, did I not reply later in the thread about this??

Lord Zim

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 2,451

#230 - 2012-06-20 16:41:42 UTC

Marconus Orion wrote:

Because it means I can wait for a ping, log in, sit in a POS while people mill about and sort themselves out, jump a few jumps, shoot faggots in the face, jump the few jumps back and be home in time for supper.

Instead of, you know, jumping from vfk to pf- and back again day out and day in and making the JB fuellers commit suicide and having the entire fleet stuck on multiple JBs because the fuellers commited suicide or forgot to fill up the JB properly so the fleet is now split in half or 3 pieces or more. And, let's not forget the fact it would take probably an hour each way in total.

No, I have no idea why we should go to the "trouble of" setting up a forward staging system. No idea at all, it's a complete mystery to me which has always eluded me.

Marconus Orion wrote:

Jump bridges is a form of power projection. You can't dispute that Lord Zim.

You want to talk about "power projection"? Have a look at all the capitals out there.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#231 - 2012-06-20 16:44:06 UTC Marconus Orion wrote: Seriously, did I not reply later in the thread about this?? i'm merely emphasizing the fact that manufacturing close to jita is easy as hell npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

dontbanmebro

Doomheim

Likes received: 42

#232 - 2012-06-20 16:47:06 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

You want to talk about "power projection"? Have a look at all the capitals out there.

Correct. Capital fleets and dominion sov timers are what allow groups to control enormous amounts of space.

Jump bridges are mostly an internal upgrade that allows people to make their day to day in their space better, and they actually incentivize laying a claim to something.

If you want to make nullsec "less vibrant", then nerf/remove jump bridges


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#233 - 2012-06-20 16:48:11 UTC \| Edited by: Richard Desturned 1 "nerf jump bridges that will teach those ~nullbears~ hell yeah small alliances" shoves a battleship, battlecruiser, logi, recon, dictor and interceptor into one carrier, hops to staging system with 2 midpoints npc alts have no opinions worth consideration


Marconus Orion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 468	#234 - 2012-06-20 16:50:20 UTC 1 Yes, capitals are a form of power projection. Have I ever said they were not? This thread is starting to be derailed so if you want to take 'power projection' to another thread, I'm game. You can list all the mechanics that fall under it and how much it contributes to power projection. Here is your chance to set everyone straight on what is what.


Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#235 - 2012-06-20 16:51:18 UTC Clearly, jumpbridges and jumpdrives must be removed from any and all ships. And once that doesn't help, then clearly there must be a mass limitation pr day pr gate. LET'S LIMIT THAT FORCE PROJECTION SOMETHING FIERCE, GUYS AWW YEAH Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

March rabbit

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 2,198

#236 - 2012-06-20 16:51:20 UTC

Weaselior wrote:

0.0 is about empire building. That's why there's sov, that's why there's alliances, that's why you get your name on the map. Scrublord 'guudfitz' lowsec roamers, friendless highsec nobodies, and anyone who bleats about "blobbing" lacks any understanding of null. Null is about building empires, massive wars, and the like. A good null design includes a place for you - as serfs - because people with the will to power to create a nullsec empire need peasant villages to raze and plunder. But with your narrow-minded concerns over scraping isk from rocks, you lack the vision to have any meaningful input on the design of null, aside from suggesting what sort of salt lick would attract you.

i feel really bad when i agree with goon....

Something is happens of the forums Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"


Richard Desturned Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 1,853	#237 - 2012-06-20 16:52:47 UTC oh no jump drives are nerfed looks for a wormhole npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

dontbanmebro

Doomheim

Likes received: 42

#238 - 2012-06-20 16:53:40 UTC | Edited by: dontbanmebro

Marconus Orion wrote:

Yes, capitals are a form of power projection. Have I ever said they were not?

This thread is starting to be derailed so if you want to take 'power projection' to another thread, I'm game. You can list all the mechanics that fall under it and how much it contributes to power projection. Here is your chance to set everyone straight on what is what.

Hey, just admit you spoke without thinking, and learn a valuable life lesson in the meantime. Who says time spent in video games is wasted?

No need to run backwards so fast; you might fall over and hurt yourself.


Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#239 - 2012-06-20 16:53:50 UTC clearly wormholes need a mass limi...heeey wait a minute Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

Doomheim 2
Jacque Cruix Doomheim Likes received: 2	#240 - 2012-06-20 16:54:05 UTC 1 Richard Desturned wrote: greyscale saying that jump bridges are a significant factor in force projection made me lol irl (In Real Life) It certainly helped me get into the fight a region away with very low risk after showing up late in the fight. Help many others as well. Besides, if they are not so important, they shouldn't be missed too much should they?

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