These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Need Advice about Solo PVP With myself and 3 friends.

Author
gfldex
#21 - 2011-09-20 13:35:01 UTC
Alexis Prey wrote:
were not desperate, and we refuse to join a corp who isn't as professional as we /WANT/ to be in PVP. I've joined enough wannabe pvp corps to know better.


Guy kinldy forwarded the convo you had with him to me. You have a quite a few misconceptions. The biggest is that you imply that the number of members is in correlation to active members or the size of a fleet. With the attitude you have shown it is no wonder why you are turned down by proper corps. There is not and will never be a successful corp that is pure PvP nor will no sane CEO want to hire pure PvP players. EVE is a bit more then turning PLEX into killmails.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#22 - 2011-09-20 14:09:53 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Alexis Prey wrote:
were not desperate, and we refuse to join a corp who isn't as professional as we /WANT/ to be in PVP. I've joined enough wannabe pvp corps to know better.


Guy kinldy forwarded the convo you had with him to me. You have a quite a few misconceptions. The biggest is that you imply that the number of members is in correlation to active members or the size of a fleet. With the attitude you have shown it is no wonder why you are turned down by proper corps. There is not and will never be a successful corp that is pure PvP nor will no sane CEO want to hire pure PvP players. EVE is a bit more then turning PLEX into killmails.


OP - Another word of advise:

long term PvP and game opportunities stem from other players. I'm not sure the details but it looks like you may have burned a bridge of opportunity.

For the future, try to take advantage fo every opportunity you can, fly with as many different folks as you can, make as many friends in game as you can.

If the corp is not a good fit, don't storm off in a huff, just tell them its not working out and move on.

You will find that as your contacts in game increase, so will your target list as your own personal network starts feeding you leads etc.

Unless your into the RP side, or getting desperate to get that little merlin to engage in lowsec; it hardly ever pays to be an ass long term.

try not to be an ass, then let me know how you did it.
Alexis Prey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-09-20 14:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Prey
L'ouris wrote:
gfldex wrote:
Alexis Prey wrote:
were not desperate, and we refuse to join a corp who isn't as professional as we /WANT/ to be in PVP. I've joined enough wannabe pvp corps to know better.


Guy kinldy forwarded the convo you had with him to me. You have a quite a few misconceptions. The biggest is that you imply that the number of members is in correlation to active members or the size of a fleet. With the attitude you have shown it is no wonder why you are turned down by proper corps. There is not and will never be a successful corp that is pure PvP nor will no sane CEO want to hire pure PvP players. EVE is a bit more then turning PLEX into killmails.


OP - Another word of advise:

long term PvP and game opportunities stem from other players. I'm not sure the details but it looks like you may have burned a bridge of opportunity.

For the future, try to take advantage fo every opportunity you can, fly with as many different folks as you can, make as many friends in game as you can.

If the corp is not a good fit, don't storm off in a huff, just tell them its not working out and move on.

You will find that as your contacts in game increase, so will your target list as your own personal network starts feeding you leads etc.

Unless your into the RP side, or getting desperate to get that little merlin to engage in lowsec; it hardly ever pays to be an ass long term.

try not to be an ass, then let me know how you did it.




I refused to join the corp of the guy who asked me to join because A. he was in his corp for 6 mnths with only 30 members. Not only that, he was opely inviting NEW players. This tells me that he is desperate for members regardless of what their game goals might be, and his standards of joining are low. A 30 member corp who doesn't do just pvp. So what, 7 does Incursion, 7 does pvp, 7 does missions "likely lvl 1 or 2 since they are new". Those kind of corps are a dime a dozen. His Bio barely mentioned PVP. Just because you put "ocasional pvp roam" in your corp's description does not make you a pvp corp. Furthermore, just because I tell him "I'll speak to my friends and let you know our decision" doesn't imply that I'm being an a word, or that I've burned a bridge.

I honestly dont CARE if I burned a bridge with him because his corp is-- like I said-- a dime a dozen, but the point of the matter is that I did not burn a bridge, and my standards are higher than some noob corp.

Our plan right now is to either stay in our NPC corps, or make our own corp. There is a small chance we will find a corp we want, and I'm okay with that. 99% of corps in recruitment channel are trash anyway, and just because someone pms me doesn't mean they are any better. I may be new, but my friends and I will only join a corp that is perfect for us. If that corp doesn't exist, we will make it. At this point, perfect for us-- is a null sec corp highly experienced in PVP-- specificly with some players who are "ACTIVE", and fly recon or covert ops ships.

Both of you are doing nothing but trolling at this moment, and your "advice" is kind of a waste of time since it doesn't really apply to me. The fact that you considered this guy a good PVP corp for me in this first place says a little about your standards. Obviously not very high.

Please get your facts straight. Both of you.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#24 - 2011-09-20 14:26:38 UTC
Alexis Prey wrote:
L'ouris wrote:
... My post....



I refused to join the corp of the guy who asked me to join because A. he was in his corp for 6 mnths with only 30 members. Not only that, he was opely inviting NEW players. Also, his corp had PVP, but it wasn't a pvp corp. The Bio barely mentioned PVP.

FINALLY, i didnt burn a bridge. I told the recruiter that i'd speak with my friends, and pm him if they agree to join.

Please get your facts straight. Both of you.



I stated I didn't know the details, just offered some advice.

The bridges I was warning about burning wasn't a Corp invite, and the advice still stands.

Best of luck in your endeavors.
gfldex
#25 - 2011-09-20 14:32:35 UTC
Alexis Prey wrote:
His Bio barely mentioned PVP.


It is indeed of utmost importance to mention PvP in your Bio.

Alexis Prey wrote:
Please get your facts straight.


OK, let's look at the facts.

Guy Delbane > As I said I won't hire them :P
Guy Delbane > They have nothing to offer.
Guy Delbane > except a serious efficiency hit when they loose fancy ships :P
gfldex > beside from being massive dicks

I can only agree with L'ouris about not being an ass and would like to add to avoid posting with your main if you intend ignore his advice on this very forum.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Alexis Prey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-20 14:33:03 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Alexis Prey wrote:
L'ouris wrote:
... My post....



I refused to join the corp of the guy who asked me to join because A. he was in his corp for 6 mnths with only 30 members. Not only that, he was opely inviting NEW players. Also, his corp had PVP, but it wasn't a pvp corp. The Bio barely mentioned PVP.

FINALLY, i didnt burn a bridge. I told the recruiter that i'd speak with my friends, and pm him if they agree to join.

Please get your facts straight. Both of you.



I stated I didn't know the details, just offered some advice.

The bridges I was warning about burning wasn't a Corp invite, and the advice still stands.

Best of luck in your endeavors.


Please do not give me advice anymore. I find it condescending, and kind of a waste of time. Advice on how to use ships, or tactics-- fine, advice on my people skills? A bit insulting lol
Alexis Prey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-09-20 14:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Prey
gfldex wrote:
Alexis Prey wrote:
His Bio barely mentioned PVP.


It is indeed of utmost importance to mention PvP in your Bio.

Alexis Prey wrote:
Please get your facts straight.


OK, let's look at the facts.

Guy Delbane > As I said I won't hire them :P
Guy Delbane > They have nothing to offer.
Guy Delbane > except a serious efficiency hit when they loose fancy ships :P
gfldex > beside from being massive dicks

I can only agree with L'ouris about not being an ass and would like to add to avoid posting with your main if you intend ignore his advice on this very forum.


He's lieing. He never told me he won't hire us. Hire? Seriously? This guy is running a small noob corp. I likely make more in a week in ISK than he does in a month. I honestly could care less what he thinks, OR what you think? Like I said, the fact you consider this man's corp good, says a lot about your skill level in this game.

Let's stop on the troll fest now. This is a thread about tactics, and ship use. Not about me looking for a corp. If you want to offer, fine, but dont get super upset when I turn you down., and bring it to the forums. Seriously annoying, and derails the thread.
gfldex
#28 - 2011-09-20 14:57:18 UTC
Alexis Prey wrote:

He's lieing. He never told me he won't hire us.


How can he lie when he is telling _me_ that he wont hire you?

Alexis Prey wrote:

Hire? Seriously?


Hire indeed. You will even have to file an application to get into each and any corp in EVE. That's just another bit of EVE-lingo you didn't learn yet.

Alexis Prey wrote:

This guy is running a small noob corp.


Is he? You would be very fitting then with your meager 5MSP, not to speak of you "friends".

Alexis Prey wrote:

I likely make more in a week in ISK than he does in a month.


Do you? You must be one of those Jita macro scammers then.

Alexis Prey wrote:

I honestly could care less what he thinks, OR what you think? Like I said, the fact you consider this man's corp good, says a lot about your skill level in this game. Let's stop on the troll fest now. This is a thread about tactics, and ship use. Not about me looking for a corp. If you want to offer, fine, but dont get super upset when I turn you down., and bring it to the forums. Seriously annoying, and derails the thread.


So you don't care? Why did you retreat into insults then? Did we hit a nerve?

The fact I consider his corp _sufficient_ for a new player like you stems from the fact that I was in fleet with him and made some neutral ships explode. As far as battleclinic is telling us your PvP adventures where less successful so far.

No, it is about a noob with horrible misconceptions that will have to learn a lot about the game he barely started playing.

(This silly forum does not allow me to have more then 5 quotes per post. I hope you can untangle it anyways.)

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Alexis Prey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-09-20 15:05:18 UTC
Okay, you win lol

So anyway, Mei has decided that she will fly a Manticore instead of a curse. No idea why, but she already has Caldari Frig at V so that will be nice.

My only question now is this. Should we still train one battle ship that will eventually become a Redeemer one day?

If we did the set up would be as follows:

Curse
Pilgrim
Manticore
Redeemer

What do you think? Woudl it be better to scrap the battle ship idea, and get another bomber, or perhaps another recon, or do you think it would be ok to stick with an amageddon for about 130 days, and then move onto Redeemer, and as a result have a whole cov ops fleeet that can hot drop?

Advice on this please?

Also, is manticore an okay bomber?
gfldex
#30 - 2011-09-20 15:33:10 UTC
Given that you have a Curse in you fleet that can't use the Redeemers jump bridge nor light a covert cyno, the blackops is of limited use. As being sayed, BS are slow. If you are fine with leaving it behind when you have to run it will work, ofc.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Alexis Prey
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-09-20 15:51:33 UTC
After talking it over, I think were going to go with a hound as the 4th
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#32 - 2011-09-20 16:15:43 UTC
Alexis, on the ONE PERCENT chance you are not a troll, I will say this:

Go learn it. Sitting here or in EveMON and fantasizing what your ideal gang composition in 6months will be is completely pointless. Actually going out and learning what works is going to be hundreds of times a better use of your time. Your average redeemer fit is going to take you for about 800 - 1billion ISK, which you will lose the VERY FIRST time you use it if you're as clueless as you are now.

You're all further away from your target ships than you think you are. Getting the SP to sit in the hull and then heading out in it, is a terrible idea. At the very least, every half decent Pilgrim fit needs Recon V. You'll need around 2 or 3 mil SP in drones to have a hope of killing anything.

A decent rule of thumb I decided on, was that when you can T2 the full fit (low, mid and high slot items for a ship), you're skilled enough to PVP in it.

A Redeemer fit, just for T2 guns, drones and tank, will set you back something like 350days PLUS. None of those things are something you want to skimp on.

Or, you could stop being snobbish and learn in T1 ships, like, say, everyone else. Plus, I don't have a clue where you get the idea that a Paladin is a decent ship to PVP in? Just go ahead and google "PVP Marauder." Or just tell us why you think a ship with the same DPS as T1 hulls makes it a better "damage dealer"?

You'll not find a corp to accept you because your attitude is terrible. You've theorycrafted out some bullshit ideas and now want a PVP corp to accept you, and accept that you'll be learning PVP in 150+mil hulls. OH and the icing on the cake? You don't want a corp that will accept new players. Classic.

My corp accepts brand new players and still manages to hold a ~90% efficiency. We'd have a snowballs chance in hell of doing this with people like you around, which is the reason none will accept you.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Zephyrus II
Cardboard Enterprises
#33 - 2011-09-20 16:19:28 UTC
Best thread ever.

You want to know the best gang of four for people like you?

Here's a hint: The ships all start with R, end in R, are NOT Retrievers and there are four of them.

Time's up: Rifters!

My word, if you are trolls then your acting deserves the rise you got from me.



But please, please do keep buying plexes, and while you're at it join a corp together and mail me the name, so I can, ahem, 'help' you.
Fortunea
World Miners
#34 - 2011-09-20 16:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Fortunea
Zephyrus II wrote:
Best thread ever.

You want to know the best gang of four for people like you?

Here's a hint: The ships all start with R, end in R, are NOT Retrievers and there are four of them.

Time's up: Rifters!

My word, if you are trolls then your acting deserves the rise you got from me.



But please, please do keep buying plexes, and while you're at it join a corp together and mail me the name, so I can, ahem, 'help' you.



were not trolls. give us your corp, and the name of your home system. we will come to you
Zephyrus II
Cardboard Enterprises
#35 - 2011-09-20 16:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zephyrus II
*facepalm*

No, I 'won't' give you my corp name because I am 'scared' of you. I hope you 'don't' find the name of my corp 'hidden' somewhere on my post and form a corp to war-dec us.

<---

<---

<---
gfldex
#36 - 2011-09-20 16:44:26 UTC
Fortunea wrote:
were not trolls. give us your corp, and the name of your home system. we will come to you


As a member of an NPC corp you are not able to start or receive a war dec.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2011-09-20 17:00:02 UTC
I liked the part where they said they would try to kill Hulks in lowsec.
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#38 - 2011-09-20 17:01:56 UTC
To the OP:

Understand you all have very specific goals WRT to PVP, but I have to agree with some of the others when they say you should start a bit smaller and work from there. There's plenty of blogs out there on solo PVP in frigates which will help you learn all sorts of valuable lessons at less than 20m a pop. (Fair enough, you make loads of ISK, and maybe you like throwing it away - but if not, starting small can still be a good idea.) I'm sure there's a frigate or destroyer or even a cruiser out there you can use with the skills you've already got.

Remember, PVP isn't just about the ship you're flying and the modules you're running and the skills you've trained. It's also largely based on experience, generally taught by losing more than you win (in the beginning, at least).

Good luck in your endeavors. Fly safe/dangerous o/

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#39 - 2011-09-20 17:02:51 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Fortunea wrote:
were not trolls. give us your corp, and the name of your home system. we will come to you


As a member of an NPC corp you are not able to start or receive a war dec.


They done gone made one!

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Zephyrus II
Cardboard Enterprises
#40 - 2011-09-20 17:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zephyrus II
Oh bother, and I was hoping they'd follow through, too. We may not be very good at PvP but we'd be more than a match for these guys if they are for real.

Just in case you miss that: Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries; I am insulting your honour, come get us.