EVE New Citizens Q&A

Probably a Falcon, as it can use a covert bridge, and makes your small gang effectively bigger. The Rook is also easily stepped-into by a Falcon pilot (or a Tengu for that matter), for more direct combat. The Onyx is also not that far a reach for such a pilot. Of course a Blackbird is great to start out in.

Logistics on scan can prevent you from getting small gang fights. So will a Blackbird / Falcon / Rook, but a Falcon can cloak.

Note that a ship must be able to fit a covert ops cloak to be able to use a bridge of Black Ops.

Of course, even a few bombers of any race can get together and have fun, as long as you use the same bombs.

P.S. Yes, I'm biased, as I'm primarily a Caldari pilot.

We've decided she should fly a Paladin. For the damage factor. What do you guys think?

Paladin can't cloak? Tyhpoon can, why couldn't Paladin? Hmm, perhaps we should reconsider then... Perhaps another Pilgrim

The other two wouldnt happen to be Fa Guoren and Ying Guoren would they? lol

id say get the last one into legion with a covert reconfig :P

it migth be able to get some decent RR out of it or at least maybe some gang bonsues

Well, we don't plan on flying around hot dropping. This was all my idea to begin with. My idea is to create a team who's primary ability is to get inside enemy territory, and use terror tactics to harass the enemy. For example:

Perhaps the pilgrim warps to a belt and sees a hulk. It would be best to have one player parked 100km from the station watching to see how many pop out while the curse warps to the pilgrim. The pilgrim then messages the miner ahead of time. Once the miner accepts the message invite, without saying a word the pilgrim tackles the miner while the curse warps in, and all 10 of their drones attack it. While attacking, the pilgrim would be telling the pilot that we need X amount of money, and once the money is sent we will let the ship go. Once the money is sent, or the ship dies, both the pilgrim and the curse warp to a safe spot.

Another instance. The pilgrim is flying alone in a system with 1 other player. The rest of us are in another system in a safespot waiting for the pilgrim to drop the covert cyno. Once the pilgrim finds a target, she drops the cyno, and the redeemer, and the curse hot drop the miner. The idea is that he would be less vigilant with only one in the system rather than all 4 of us.

Another instance would be parking one ship cloaked at each belt, and one at the station. The person parked at the station let's the others know who's coming toward which belts. It would then allow each person at the belt the opportunity to be ready to kill the incoming pilot.

--these are ideas with different ships depending on what we choose

Scanning out, and camping grav sites -- if we have a scanner
Putting bubbles up, and having all 15 drones "assist" the inti -- if we have interdictors
The occasional Gate camp --
other ideas--?

I was thinking we should have her fly something super cheap. In the 20m range so that she can be the one to jump into the tighter of situations. Would be less worry about a loss. On the contrary, all 3 of our current ships can use drones. This means that we can have 15 hobgoblin IIs if necessary, and 5 more would be nice.. Another pilgrim would be nice too since we could have two people flying around checking spots while cloaked.


My final idea would be to get Zhong Guoren to fly a pilgrim, and put a probe launcher on it-- with some repair drones. This way we could have a 2nd spy who could also serve as support, and still provide the extra 5 drones that would be useful in a bigger fight.

There are two options here.

a) You're as clueless as you sound (good luck bubbling in lowsec .. or getting that curse through a blops portal)

or

b) 6/10 - solid troll effort. The "paladin for damage" made me smile.

If :

a) Start smaller, especially if you're still working out basic tactics against a lone miner. Your clueless redeemer pilot is an OMG hotdrop magnet

b) smirk

You mean the 4 chars in question. I could do the same with 9 but would feel a little dirty.

It really isn't troll attempt. That being said, we have come up with this setup:

Me: Pilgrim
Zhong: Redeemer "In 130 days" Armageddon until then
Mei: Curse
Fort: Pilgrim

What do you think?



I do realize that we are all generally speaking, new. I have tried very hard though to ind a PVP corp, and have found nothing. The evidence lies in my employment history. If you look at it, you will see I have joined countless corps just to leave soon after for lack of activity or pvp, or what ever else.The problem is that pilots like us who are new cannot get into a good PVP corp, and the corps we can g into are desperate new corps with noone online, and noone who knows anything about PVP. Everything I've learned about PVP is self taught, and I don't say that to complain, but just so you guys understand. It's perfectly reasonable for us to assume that a battle ship is good for damage. Perhaps we are wrong, but please dont insult us for it. We are doing our best with the resources we have.

All this being said, if you can give us any advice on some tactics we might find useful, and other information, I know I'd personally be more than willing to learn. I have read every guide I could on curse, and pilgrim. There isn't many, but I've studied all the top loadouts. In addition, if there is a well estabolished corp who might be as active as I am, and interested in teaching us true null sec PVP, I'd be very glad to join, and I'm sure my friends would as well.

As for flying rifters, and other cheap ships, this is an option, but not something I'd personally like to do. My character has almost 5m SP, and all of it is 100% skilled toward a Pilgrim. This means that I can't go around flying rifters, or other things without training some skills-- which would take me off the path I prefer -- 100% pilgrim build. There are pilots with 160m SP out there, and the only way I will be able to even come close to comparing to them is if I 100% specialize to make up for all the lost SP. Even then I'm sure I won't ever compare, but at least with this method, I am closer to I would be had I skilled for several various ships.

Our Current SP for each of us according to Eve-Mon is:

Me: 5m sp
Mei: 3m sp
Fort: 2m sp
Zhong: 1.7m sp

Bomber would be a good choice. At least one.

They are more nimble than your recons, mount battleship weapons, and most importantly have no targeting delay from the cloak.

Take that into consideration and re-think your hulk engagement priorities.

As an aside, bombers are cheaper and a great cov-ops starter ship for what your looking to do.

You want that one nimble ship to jump through the gate and see if it's bubbled? use the bomber.

You want the one forward scout to get a point on the unsuspecting target a few systems over? Bomber.

Your recons got the target neuted out and helpless but you need some more damage to kill him before backup arrives? bomber.

and on and on.

I would really advise you to not treat the bomber as a baby ship. It makes the large portion of DPS for many Black ops gangs for a reason.

Wow, thank you. This was extremely helpful. I'll talk to Zhong when she wakes up, this is super helpful!

@gfldex, were not desperate, and we refuse to join a corp who isn't as professional as we /WANT/ to be in PVP. I've joined enough wannabe pvp corps to know better.

@keno, thanks for the advice. please realize though that most of us are already at the point where we can fly pilgrim/curse/armageddon-- At this point, it would be meaningless to train backwards just to safe money. Money isn't really an obstacle at this point anyway. I create websites for Eve players which can uslaly make a couple billion, and my friends sell plex. One of my friends has a plan to mission for money. Not sure how well that will work, but she is our newest person to join us in Eve and since I think she will be flying cheap Cov-Op ships, I don't mind paying for them